Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
Not much point sending Karin (or any of the other S/Mileage finalists) to training camp twice, since the whole point of that camp is to test the girls' mettle. We already know that Karin has what it takes.
My guess is that he will add her to Momusu at the last minute, since he always likes to do something surprising.
Morning Musume does Auditions v10
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It's not really up to Tsunku, though. He's mostly just a figurehead so there's someone to blame.
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I think it's time for MM to move on from songs that require them to have a super talented vocalist to belt out the lines.
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I think they probably won't once Risa leaves, unless they're going to have Reina do them.
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I think it's time for MM to move on from songs that require them to have a super talented vocalist to belt out the lines.
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I think they probably won't once Risa leaves, unless they're going to have Reina do them.
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And as we all know, Riho is the best dancer H!P has ever had by quite a margin.
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[quote name='rob' timestamp='1315545211' post='107860']
And are you REALLY complaining that the new generation will consist of young girls... Hasn't it been that way for years?
Although when you look at it, MM have never REALLY been successful as a young girl group, what was the average of the group when Love Machine was released?
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Yes I am, I have zero interest in a group filled with little kids, they will either have to sing little girlie songs or look and sound ridiculous singing songs with adult themes. Either way I don't care.
MM have always had a mix of ages from young to old, with the three senior members living on borrowed time within a year the liklihood is the average age of the group will be 13-14. If I was 13-14 I would probably be happy but I'm not so I ain't.
Oh and the average age of MM for Love Machine was 18.5, well you did ask.
And as we all know, Riho is the best dancer H!P has ever had by quite a margin.
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And are you REALLY complaining that the new generation will consist of young girls... Hasn't it been that way for years?
Although when you look at it, MM have never REALLY been successful as a young girl group, what was the average of the group when Love Machine was released?
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Yes I am, I have zero interest in a group filled with little kids, they will either have to sing little girlie songs or look and sound ridiculous singing songs with adult themes. Either way I don't care.
MM have always had a mix of ages from young to old, with the three senior members living on borrowed time within a year the liklihood is the average age of the group will be 13-14. If I was 13-14 I would probably be happy but I'm not so I ain't.
Oh and the average age of MM for Love Machine was 18.5, well you did ask.
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If you know that every new Morning Musume thing from now on is going to annoy you and make you angry, why do you even bother paying attention to them? You knew this audition wouldn't have any older girls in it. You either need to accept this or just move on.
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The other day I stumbled on a video on my hard drive of the finalists from the Lucky 7 audition (the audition that produced no new member, but the next audition produced Koharu..). The average age of the 6 finalists was 16.6, youngest being 15, oldest being 19. AND they were for the most part talented. Oh, how I wish MM went that way too.
It makes sense to pick the young ones. Put in the same investment but get more profit $$$. But now we got fans complaining that 10 years is too long for an idol. If that's the case, I think there's nothing wrong with a 16 year old. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> I mean, looking at the first couple of years Takahashi and Niigaki in the group, I feel like they didn't even contribute much. I would have just preferred them in the group in the latter 5 years.
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Truthfully, I want someone as talented vocally to replace Takahashi. I mean I feel like this is what sets MM a part from the other groups. But then, lets look at C-ute, Berryz, and S/mileage. Their singing isn't stellar and they're surviving. Risako yelps, Airi used to be good, Miyabi isn't so good live, etc. And S/mileage is just on helium. I guess management doesn't care.. yay for being disappointed! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... smooch.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='=3=' />
It makes sense to pick the young ones. Put in the same investment but get more profit $$$. But now we got fans complaining that 10 years is too long for an idol. If that's the case, I think there's nothing wrong with a 16 year old. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> I mean, looking at the first couple of years Takahashi and Niigaki in the group, I feel like they didn't even contribute much. I would have just preferred them in the group in the latter 5 years. ANYWAYS, I'm not gonna have any expectations except to be disappointed. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />
Truthfully, I want someone as talented vocally to replace Takahashi. I mean I feel like this is what sets MM a part from the other groups. But then, lets look at C-ute, Berryz, and S/mileage. Their singing isn't stellar and they're surviving. Risako yelps, Airi used to be good, Miyabi isn't so good live, etc. And S/mileage is just on helium. I guess management doesn't care.. yay for being disappointed! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... smooch.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='=3=' />
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1315568451' post='107875']
If you know that every new Morning Musume thing from now on is going to annoy you and make you angry, why do you even bother paying attention to them? You knew this audition wouldn't have any older girls in it. You either need to accept this or just move on.
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Because I've been a fan for nearly 7 years and I don't give up on something I like easily.
And I didn't know there wouldn't be any older girls in it as I thought the audition range was 10 - 17.
Now that I know the 10th Gen will be more of the same I won't be bothering much now <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' /> .
If you know that every new Morning Musume thing from now on is going to annoy you and make you angry, why do you even bother paying attention to them? You knew this audition wouldn't have any older girls in it. You either need to accept this or just move on.
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Because I've been a fan for nearly 7 years and I don't give up on something I like easily.
And I didn't know there wouldn't be any older girls in it as I thought the audition range was 10 - 17.
Now that I know the 10th Gen will be more of the same I won't be bothering much now <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' /> .
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[quote name='strawberryjam' timestamp='1315574174' post='107880']
The other day I stumbled on a video on my hard drive of the finalists from the Lucky 7 audition (the audition that produced no new member, but the next audition produced Koharu..). The average age of the 6 finalists was 16.6, youngest being 15, oldest being 19. AND they were for the most part talented. Oh, how I wish MM went that way too.
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A split back then would have certainly been interesting.
Young members for a Mini Moni revival and older members for MM.
The other day I stumbled on a video on my hard drive of the finalists from the Lucky 7 audition (the audition that produced no new member, but the next audition produced Koharu..). The average age of the 6 finalists was 16.6, youngest being 15, oldest being 19. AND they were for the most part talented. Oh, how I wish MM went that way too.
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A split back then would have certainly been interesting.
Young members for a Mini Moni revival and older members for MM.
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[quote name='eri' timestamp='1315546957' post='107864']
I'm a little confused...are these the top 10 or just 10 of the contenders?
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The way I understood it (sleepily watching while distractedly packing xD) these are the final 10 that are going to the camp.
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...huh.
Well, I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other. I think the 16 year old is pretty and a few of them are cute. I must be the only one that dislikes Sara too.
[quote name='eri' timestamp='1315546957' post='107864']
I'm a little confused...are these the top 10 or just 10 of the contenders?
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The way I understood it (sleepily watching while distractedly packing xD) these are the final 10 that are going to the camp.
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...huh.
Well, I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other. I think the 16 year old is pretty and a few of them are cute. I must be the only one that dislikes Sara too.
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- Too young, dislike her voice. Same high pitched BS that makes my skin crawl.
- Haruna looks like Haruna from AKB48. Cute voice :D.
- Masaki looks older, couldn't hear her voice well.
- Meh, sounds bad.
- Hinako is a cute name! She has a unique look!
- Another 11 year old? But she dances well, I suppose.
- No thank you, I don't like her look.
- Yay not an 11 year old. She's good at dancing, just wish I could hear her voice.
- Another good dancer, but she can't sing at all.
- WOW! I like Sara, she's cute and sounds nice.
I predict one of the girls who can't sing or dance will get into MM, just because Tsunku loves to do that to us. I'm rooting for Sara and Haruna personally.
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[quote name='Riho World' timestamp='1315549008' post='107866']
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
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Does anyone else feel this way?
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I just hope... well, anybody knows probably what I hope.
Does anyone else feel this way?
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I just hope... well, anybody knows probably what I hope.
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Is it just me, or should the younger girls join Eggs and when they are 16 be promoted into a main group?
So for example, Karin hits 16 and she gets drafted into MM, she has experience of singing, dancing, she knows all the H!P songs and has experience of how the whole business works.
Seems a bit mad to me to shove 12-13 year old girls in to a flagship group and then expect them to be great.
Don't get me wrong, I love the 9th gen, mixture of personality and talent.
but then... wasn't Goto Maki like 13 when she joined?
So for example, Karin hits 16 and she gets drafted into MM, she has experience of singing, dancing, she knows all the H!P songs and has experience of how the whole business works.
Seems a bit mad to me to shove 12-13 year old girls in to a flagship group and then expect them to be great.
Don't get me wrong, I love the 9th gen, mixture of personality and talent.
but then... wasn't Goto Maki like 13 when she joined?
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
Yes, Maki was 13 when she joined. Fukuda Asuka was also around that age, and she was great (vocally, anyway). Tsuji/Kago were very young, and they did pretty well right away. Most of their stardom came from their personalities, but Kago at least was actually a pretty decent singer early on. Takahashi was fairly young as well and has always been talented.
What you're suggesting with the Eggs is basically what Johnny's does with their Juniors - hone their skills and get them public exposure, and then debut them in a group when they are ready. This usually works out pretty well, but this system goes totally against what MM is supposed to be all about. Morning Musume is supposed to be composed of girls next door, and the girls are supposed to grow within the group. That's why Tsunku (or rather, the powers that be) loves to choose the Konno Asami's of the world. "Look, she's terrible now but she's trying so hard! I see potential within her!" And to give Tsunku (/UFA) credit, some of the girls DID grow a lot after their audition. Kamei Eri is a prime example of that. The problem is not so much that young girls are being chosen, it's that Tsunku's potential senses often go astray and we get people like Konno and Koharu who never got better within the group.
What you're suggesting with the Eggs is basically what Johnny's does with their Juniors - hone their skills and get them public exposure, and then debut them in a group when they are ready. This usually works out pretty well, but this system goes totally against what MM is supposed to be all about. Morning Musume is supposed to be composed of girls next door, and the girls are supposed to grow within the group. That's why Tsunku (or rather, the powers that be) loves to choose the Konno Asami's of the world. "Look, she's terrible now but she's trying so hard! I see potential within her!" And to give Tsunku (/UFA) credit, some of the girls DID grow a lot after their audition. Kamei Eri is a prime example of that. The problem is not so much that young girls are being chosen, it's that Tsunku's potential senses often go astray and we get people like Konno and Koharu who never got better within the group.
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
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[quote name='Riho World' timestamp='1315549008' post='107866']
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
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I'm inclined to agree. Either a soloist or the head of a new group.
I just think the future of Momusu would be oh-so-much brighter with Karin there. Karin and Riho could make Momusu exciting again.
[quote name='Riho World' timestamp='1315549008' post='107866']
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
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I'm inclined to agree. Either a soloist or the head of a new group.
I just think the future of Momusu would be oh-so-much brighter with Karin there. Karin and Riho could make Momusu exciting again.
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^Agreed. Karin and Mizuki are friends, aren't they? Karin would help Mizuki come out of her shell.
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My predictions for Karin:
- Create group with her and three other eggs
- Release singles outside of H!P yet are produced by Tsunku
- Promise official status as group
- Must have 10,000 camerawhores smile for you
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All kidding aside, if she's not drafted into MM, which I sincerely doubt won't happen, there will be a new group with a couple other eggs within this or next year.
[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1315568451' post='107875']
If you know that every new Morning Musume thing from now on is going to annoy you and make you angry, why do you even bother paying attention to them? You knew this audition wouldn't have any older girls in it. You either need to accept this or just move on.
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- Create group with her and three other eggs
- Release singles outside of H!P yet are produced by Tsunku
- Promise official status as group
- Must have 10,000 camerawhores smile for you
<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1315568451' post='107875']
If you know that every new Morning Musume thing from now on is going to annoy you and make you angry, why do you even bother paying attention to them? You knew this audition wouldn't have any older girls in it. You either need to accept this or just move on.
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#1 looks REALLY familiar. Did she audition for 9th gen or something?
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She's an Egg. I only just figured this out while I was looking at PQ's Age Chart.
#1 looks REALLY familiar. Did she audition for 9th gen or something?
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She's an Egg. I only just figured this out while I was looking at PQ's Age Chart.
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HelloPro! Time. Get it while it's hot!
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CHUG. CHUG. CHUG.
You chug that milk, auditioner at :22!! Chug your way to the top.
[quote name='emily' timestamp='1315616878' post='107945']
[quote name='Riho World' timestamp='1315549008' post='107866']
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
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My predictions for Karin:
- Create group with her and three other eggs
- Release singles outside of H!P yet are produced by Tsunku
- Promise official status as group
- Must have 10,000 camerawhores smile for you
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...- Force her begrudgingly to cut her hair (those adorable pigtails!! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... pyeyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':puppyeyes:' /> )
-Sodomise her pro-unit with unpolished, deadweight newbs who might usurp your established position
-Drive her to quit (without accolades, to boot...)
I'd LOVE (!) to see Karin join MM because at least that way she will definitely have a consistent career in a main H!P group no matter how bad sales may get, but soloist is the next best thing! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /dance.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dance:' /> I'd love to see them pull a Mizuki, especially since, as Emily said, she and Mizuki are (supposedly) friends and it would provide for member interaction and personality in the group. MM could use another Two-Top sort of act, it may be unhealthy for the girls but by Jove, it works!! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />
I'm pretty alright with just about anyone else joining the group so long as Karin gets in... and I may be the only one to say this, but I'd rather not see an older girl get in just because with the addition of the 9th gen consisting of mostly younger girls, it would be unfitting if the newbies were older than they are... So, about the same age or younger would work well, I think!!
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CHUG. CHUG. CHUG.
You chug that milk, auditioner at :22!! Chug your way to the top.
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[quote name='Riho World' timestamp='1315549008' post='107866']
Well, Tsunku has to do SOMETHING with Karin, who is obviously talented enough to be with Momusu or S/Mileage.
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I feel that she might end up as a soloist, Kikka-style, because she's "too" talented. or something. Does anyone else feel this way?
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My predictions for Karin:
- Create group with her and three other eggs
- Release singles outside of H!P yet are produced by Tsunku
- Promise official status as group
- Must have 10,000 camerawhores smile for you
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...- Force her begrudgingly to cut her hair (those adorable pigtails!! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... pyeyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':puppyeyes:' /> )
-Sodomise her pro-unit with unpolished, deadweight newbs who might usurp your established position
-Drive her to quit (without accolades, to boot...)
I'd LOVE (!) to see Karin join MM because at least that way she will definitely have a consistent career in a main H!P group no matter how bad sales may get, but soloist is the next best thing! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /dance.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dance:' /> I'd love to see them pull a Mizuki, especially since, as Emily said, she and Mizuki are (supposedly) friends and it would provide for member interaction and personality in the group. MM could use another Two-Top sort of act, it may be unhealthy for the girls but by Jove, it works!! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />
I'm pretty alright with just about anyone else joining the group so long as Karin gets in... and I may be the only one to say this, but I'd rather not see an older girl get in just because with the addition of the 9th gen consisting of mostly younger girls, it would be unfitting if the newbies were older than they are... So, about the same age or younger would work well, I think!!
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I have mixed feelings about Karin possibly joining. On the one hand she's totally adorable and on the other hand, adding her would just give UFA the opportunity to turn it into 'Karin and Riho ft. those other girls' and we'd probably get the same stuff we've been getting for the past four years for even longer. And that would be so dull.
Also, I don't think Mizuki has a shell to come out of. I've come to the conclusion she isn't shy, she's just ridiculously mature and reserved naturally.
Also, I don't think Mizuki has a shell to come out of. I've come to the conclusion she isn't shy, she's just ridiculously mature and reserved naturally.
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1315629182' post='107975']
I have mixed feelings about Karin possibly joining. On the one hand she's totally adorable and on the other hand, adding her would just give UFA the opportunity to turn it into 'Karin and Riho ft. those other girls' and we'd probably get the same stuff we've been getting for the past four years for even longer. And that would be so dull.
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Maybe if they added each girl with notable talent rather create a "Ai+Reina ft. Morning Musume." set up, no one would fall behind if each new member to be added was worth their weight in talent?
Oh, I forgot the context of this conversation. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... stling.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
Even if this were the case, though, it provides no guarantees...
I have mixed feelings about Karin possibly joining. On the one hand she's totally adorable and on the other hand, adding her would just give UFA the opportunity to turn it into 'Karin and Riho ft. those other girls' and we'd probably get the same stuff we've been getting for the past four years for even longer. And that would be so dull.
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Maybe if they added each girl with notable talent rather create a "Ai+Reina ft. Morning Musume." set up, no one would fall behind if each new member to be added was worth their weight in talent?
Oh, I forgot the context of this conversation. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... stling.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
Even if this were the case, though, it provides no guarantees...
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
I'm not saying anything until we have the training camp video. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... stling.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
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I'm not saying anything until we have the training camp video. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... stling.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
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Same :) Plus I couldn't really hear their voices cause that darn lady was talking so loud <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... prised.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omg:' />
I'm not saying anything until we have the training camp video. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... stling.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
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Same :) Plus I couldn't really hear their voices cause that darn lady was talking so loud <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... prised.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omg:' />
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Although I have loved what MM has done over the years and continues to do.
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
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Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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Yes, but they're more popular than the young ones because they've been around longer and had more time to be groomed into a proper idol, garner TV appearances, get enough lines and had ample time to grow on the public.
It isn't as if Sayu, who's quite popular right now, or Tsuji whose blog was hugely popular a few years ago, joined as late teens/twentysomethings.
Similarly, adding a 15< girl to Morning Musume isn't likely an an ace in the hole, either. MM's popularity likely declined due to lower quality music and too much pandering to the creepy fetishes and losing the public, not because the girls were young.
(Case in point.)
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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Yes, but they're more popular than the young ones because they've been around longer and had more time to be groomed into a proper idol, garner TV appearances, get enough lines and had ample time to grow on the public.
It isn't as if Sayu, who's quite popular right now, or Tsuji whose blog was hugely popular a few years ago, joined as late teens/twentysomethings.
Similarly, adding a 15< girl to Morning Musume isn't likely an an ace in the hole, either. MM's popularity likely declined due to lower quality music and too much pandering to the creepy fetishes and losing the public, not because the girls were young.
(Case in point.)
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
[quote name='rob' timestamp='1315677963' post='107998']
Although I have loved what MM has done over the years and continues to do.
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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I'm never sure that you can pin the blame on any particular generation. I think the 4th Gen might have taken a little more time to get in the public eye but all 4 members became hugely popular.
I guess that the songs that Tsunku came up with also had a bearing and I think he started to come up with some weak songs in 2002-2003, "Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyoutanjima" anybody? Yes, I know he didn't write it but he must have picked it. I asume that, due to the success of MM, other girl groups were emerging and cutting into their fanbase "Oh Morning Musume, they are so last year".
The strength of MM was always the mix of ages so there was time for the youngsters to grow which was helped by things like Hello! Morning which gave the fans a chance to see the girls characters, even if they weren't necessarily their true character.
If all the theories that the 3 senior members will be graduated soon, which is likely I think because of the big age gap between old and new that's now appearing, you are going to be left with a load of little girls with almost ne experience, nobody to take some of the load off and no chance to really show themselves to potential fans. The sort of things being done now are largely preaching to the converted, it's not going to attract new fans.
Although I have loved what MM has done over the years and continues to do.
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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I'm never sure that you can pin the blame on any particular generation. I think the 4th Gen might have taken a little more time to get in the public eye but all 4 members became hugely popular.
I guess that the songs that Tsunku came up with also had a bearing and I think he started to come up with some weak songs in 2002-2003, "Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyoutanjima" anybody? Yes, I know he didn't write it but he must have picked it. I asume that, due to the success of MM, other girl groups were emerging and cutting into their fanbase "Oh Morning Musume, they are so last year".
The strength of MM was always the mix of ages so there was time for the youngsters to grow which was helped by things like Hello! Morning which gave the fans a chance to see the girls characters, even if they weren't necessarily their true character.
If all the theories that the 3 senior members will be graduated soon, which is likely I think because of the big age gap between old and new that's now appearing, you are going to be left with a load of little girls with almost ne experience, nobody to take some of the load off and no chance to really show themselves to potential fans. The sort of things being done now are largely preaching to the converted, it's not going to attract new fans.
Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
[quote name='rob' timestamp='1315677963' post='107998']
Although I have loved what MM has done over the years and continues to do.
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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I've always personally felt that 5th gen were the beginning of the downfall of popularity. They all just blended together and none of them ever really stuck out. They were about as filler a generation as you could get.
Although I have loved what MM has done over the years and continues to do.
Is it not true to say that their traditional graduation / audition of young girls has literally never been a success?
Although 4th gen may seem to have been a golden era, in my eyes it was always the era that made the first cracks appear in MM's popularity, 5th gen opened those cracks wide open and 6th was the literal nail in the coffin.
Now again, personally I was always fine with it, but on the subject of sales and popularity, doesn't it appear that 18+ idols are far more popular than 12+?
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I've always personally felt that 5th gen were the beginning of the downfall of popularity. They all just blended together and none of them ever really stuck out. They were about as filler a generation as you could get.
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
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I've always personally felt that 5th gen were the beginning of the downfall of popularity. They all just blended together and none of them ever really stuck out. They were about as filler a generation as you could get.
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The slump, for want of a better word, began with The Peace! it dropped 300,000 on RR21, Mr Moonlight dropped another 170,000, Souda -70,000, Do it! Now -130,000, Koko ni Iruzee! -90,000, Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyoutanjima -70,000. In 3 years they lost over 800,000 sales per single. Even after all that they were still selling nearly four times their curent sales. *
* All the above were done without the aid of a calculator and I have been working flat out for over 12 hours so don't blame me if my mental aritmatic is a bit fuzzy.
I've always personally felt that 5th gen were the beginning of the downfall of popularity. They all just blended together and none of them ever really stuck out. They were about as filler a generation as you could get.
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The slump, for want of a better word, began with The Peace! it dropped 300,000 on RR21, Mr Moonlight dropped another 170,000, Souda -70,000, Do it! Now -130,000, Koko ni Iruzee! -90,000, Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyoutanjima -70,000. In 3 years they lost over 800,000 sales per single. Even after all that they were still selling nearly four times their curent sales. *
* All the above were done without the aid of a calculator and I have been working flat out for over 12 hours so don't blame me if my mental aritmatic is a bit fuzzy.
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
I think the sales thing you have to take with a pinch of salt, people in Japan are not like in the west where you tend to find a lot of people who if they like a group will stick with that group no matter what they release due to loyalty.
In Japan the new and current thing will always be popular, so give it a few years and you will see the current popular groups all selling the same as MM now, that's just the way Japan is.
In Japan the new and current thing will always be popular, so give it a few years and you will see the current popular groups all selling the same as MM now, that's just the way Japan is.
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Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
After seeing the training camp episode today, I'm pulling for:
Sara
Haruka
Ayumi Ishida
Sara
Haruka
Ayumi Ishida
HOLD UP! I'M A GEEK THE BIG PARADOX!
Re: Morning Musume does Auditions v10
New H!P Time is out, and it's all about the auditions.
Part 1
Part 2
There isn't that ONE person who jumps out at me like Zukki did for 9th gen, but singing-wise, I feel like the potential 10th gen girls are for the most part better than 9th gen were (but there's a ton of experienced girls this time around. I think maybe two have no experience at all?).
I like Haruka, Ishida, and Sara, though. If any of them got in, I'd be happy. Not too keen on Haruna, Miyagi and Tanaka (I did think it was kind of funny that her eyes are uneven just like Reina's, though. It's like fate.) Surprised that Satsuki failed 9th gen but made it this far for 10th gen. Who changed their mind this time around?
As for the others, they don't really jump out at me, but I don't think I'd be disappointed if any of them got in, unless every girl that got in was someone I either didn't like or made absolutely no impression on me.
If Tsunku and Co. want to keep trying to promote this 'Morning Musume is a talented idol group' thing though, they should definitely add Sara. She sounds better than the other 10th gen girls and the 9th gen girls (well maybe not Mizuki).
As for other stuff:
Their dance portion seems way harder than the 9th gen audition dance was. There's a few obviously weaker girls, but for the most part they all keep up with it (I'm not very concerned about how well they dance as long as they can keep up, especially since they work on it constantly once they get in.). And I wonder if they made them do any group singing at all during that audition?
I just hope that whoever gets in isn't boring. That's all I really care about in the end.
Part 1
Part 2
There isn't that ONE person who jumps out at me like Zukki did for 9th gen, but singing-wise, I feel like the potential 10th gen girls are for the most part better than 9th gen were (but there's a ton of experienced girls this time around. I think maybe two have no experience at all?).
I like Haruka, Ishida, and Sara, though. If any of them got in, I'd be happy. Not too keen on Haruna, Miyagi and Tanaka (I did think it was kind of funny that her eyes are uneven just like Reina's, though. It's like fate.) Surprised that Satsuki failed 9th gen but made it this far for 10th gen. Who changed their mind this time around?
As for the others, they don't really jump out at me, but I don't think I'd be disappointed if any of them got in, unless every girl that got in was someone I either didn't like or made absolutely no impression on me.
If Tsunku and Co. want to keep trying to promote this 'Morning Musume is a talented idol group' thing though, they should definitely add Sara. She sounds better than the other 10th gen girls and the 9th gen girls (well maybe not Mizuki).
As for other stuff:
Their dance portion seems way harder than the 9th gen audition dance was. There's a few obviously weaker girls, but for the most part they all keep up with it (I'm not very concerned about how well they dance as long as they can keep up, especially since they work on it constantly once they get in.). And I wonder if they made them do any group singing at all during that audition?
I just hope that whoever gets in isn't boring. That's all I really care about in the end.
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