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I loved the dance. It was fun to find moves they have also used in recent singles slightly reworked. I saw stuff from Renai Hunter and 123, and I guess you could say the whole line choreography is kind of continued from wktk.

I watched the dance shot on my phone, so I could barely tell who was doing what where. Haruna has some long hair, though!

The leopard print seems too busy with the CG background.

I missed the PV preview before it was taken down. Oh, well!
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LOL true facts. I don't know, I feel that a post-Reina Musume led by Riho/Sakura with an emphasis on Riho is going to be kind of infuriating.
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Riho is one of my least favorites and Sakura seems great so far, but I would get so bored with only them as leads. I want an early S/mileage-type line distribution, but I realize that isn't going to happen. They have too many girls to have only a Riho/Sakura lead... Surely they plan to use the others, right? Maybe they just need the numbers to fill out the dances, though.
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This choreography is going to really test their timing ability.



The low part is kind of sexy, I dig it. Then the middle echoey part is like Genki+'s chorus, only brighter. The speaking part is like some sort of supernatural possessed Tokaikko Junjou. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' />
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I can't quite make out the line distribution. I'm getting tons of Reina, some Riho, the two Sakura lines and one line for Fuku-chan. Baby steps! Did anyone else get a solo, or were they all duets/trios?

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I wasn't paying enough attention to see who got solo lines, but people on jplop and H!O are saying Ayumi has some.

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Only Reina, Riho, Sakura, Mizuki and maybe Sayu but I don't think so (if she doesn't she is part of the duo group).

Ayumi and Masaki had duo lines.

Erina, Kanon, Haruka and Haruna have group lines together.
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This dance is absolutely awesome but to me it looks like they filmed the dance shot as fast as they could just to get it over with. It could have been more polished. I'm looking forward to the full PV of those



I agree with Q though, this may be my favorite MoMusu dance EVER.
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I enjoyed it, and I noticed that Reina and Mizuki have garters.
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Wow. Um. Even Haruna's got it.

Ayumi is fabulous as always. Riho, too. I'm so glad that the group has become such that their talents haven't gone to waste, I was concerned that in spite of how good they may be at dance, MM's choreographies would never display that and it would be an afterthought. I'm so happy to be proven wrong.



I know Riho won't be nicked from center position anytime soon, so I wish she would at least improve her singing. After Sakura's line, they could at least have used Reina in Riho's place for a smoother transition. Grating.



It's great to see some Mizuki attention! She's so gorgeous.
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Anyone notice the footage change at 3:15? The dance is crazy impressive, but now I wonder if they can pull it off live without one of the girls doing a faceplant.
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I actually like this song apart from the usual line distribution complaints. Sakura sounds a bit like Risa, love it. Too much Reina/Riho tbh, Mizuki and Masaki both get solo lines which I LOVE, but please god give Kanon more than just an 'ah!'. If only the covers were a bit better! This is a STRONG Morning Musume though wow. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' />
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I continue to be puzzled by Masaki's push. She's such a weak performer. :/

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The hell are you talking about? Masaki was amazing during it.

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I was talking about Masaki in general (live performances and such), not this video in particular.
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After a new day and a second watch. All those little fast forward blurbs. It's so much editing to piece together a perfect dance. It makes me wonder how many times they had to record it to get it all right.



I agree with Duncan, this has faceplant written all over it. Even their perfect dance shot had some flaws.



I do believe Sakura is the shortest member now. She's so freakin' tiny.
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Finally, I get to hear the song!! It is amazing. Is that Oda at 0:56 and 2:35? Riho messed it up...
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I....I love this song and I can not lie. I can't wait to see the regular PV!
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That dance is pretty much sweet as HELL! ... even if there were parts of it that made them look like Wacky Waving Inflatable Tube Musumes. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' /> Being zoomed so far out with a busy background like that makes it hard to keep focus, though. Hopefully the main PV will have some good close-up shots~



Reina's garter distracted me at the beginning because I thought there was something weird hanging off her dress, haha.
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Watching it again the duets seem like they are Ayumi/Masaki, Sayumi/Masaki (in the bridge, Masaki also gets a solo I believe), Erina/Kanon (thank christ) and Riho and Reina get most of the solo lines (no surprises there) with a mini Sakura push akin to Aika's in Egao Yes Nude, Mizuki also gets a solo line. In my opinion Haruna and Kudo probably get shafted the most here.
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Haruka is a strange case. She's obviously gets pushed with the photo shoots, photobooks, but not in the singles. She's clearly the new Hitomi. So perhaps one day she'll get her front girl single.



I did hear Haruka near the end. Her voice is rather hard to miss. But it was in line with someone else.
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[quote name='freezingkiss' timestamp='1356264622' post='140066']

Watching it again the duets seem like they are Ayumi/Masaki, Sayumi/Masaki (in the bridge, Masaki also gets a solo I believe), Erina/Kanon (thank christ) and Riho and Reina get most of the solo lines (no surprises there) with a mini Sakura push akin to Aika's in Egao Yes Nude, Mizuki also gets a solo line. In my opinion Haruna and Kudo probably get shafted the most here.

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Erina, Kanon, Haruna and Haruka's lines are together. It's at the point where they do the weird dance with their arms and are more toward the front but on the sides.



I'm pretty sure Masaki nor Sayu have any solo lines.
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I like the dance, but it just looks weird to me with their skirts. Plus at several points, I spotted Reina's shorts. Surprise that they would let that go.

Also, their outfits look really odd when zoomed out. Their skirts just look like a giant puffy mess.
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Reina's outfit is actually supposed to show off a bit of her shorts:



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Some of those shots make me want a Close-up Dance Shot version... The CG buildings and stuff look neat, though. I like the sign in the background that says "morning musume" and the signs that have close-ups of the girls on the buildings' big screens.



The Dance Shot has over 848K views, y'all. Not that YouTube views translate to sales, but I think this bodes well for the single.
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Man, I'm not really hot about the whole 'standing around doing nothing' bits but I like the new effects they did around the chorus... except for that huge flare of light at the end. ATOMIC EXPLOSIONS FOR EVERYONE



Also I snorted because at one point it looked like Riho was shoving someone out of the way during the dance. Calm down girl.
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When bitches be taking her spotlight, Riho be getting mad yo!



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Did anyone else get the PLAN B (pregnancy prevention pill) commercial and laugh at the fact that a Morning Musume PV was to follow it? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /crazy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':crazy:' />



Maybe it's the visual quality, but they look sort of jarring in the "backgrounds". This would be a good single to do another green screen fan project. We could place them in dangerous situations. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



Wow, Sakura? She's like a non-controversial Fujimoto. I can't wait to hear more from her. I feel like she is the 2nd girl in the history of MM to deserve being the sole winner of her audition, and Maki left 10 freaking years ago. (oh weird, think of that timing)
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Everyone gets a seemingly more equal amount of camera time? I'm scared... this isn't the MM I know...



also I can't help but think that it might have been cheaper for them to just go outside than to render a CG city but what do I know
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Dat greenscreen. The whole thing looked ridiculously cheap!

If they're going to CG something like this, they could at least do something wondrous with it. Following MM's recent success, it doesn't look well on them to release a video that is so visually half-assed.



Somehow between the time she joined and now, Ayumin received The Idol Makeover and she's cute as a button. When did that happen?



Mizuki is great, here. Loving the equal screentime for everyone.
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Somehow between the time she joined and now, Ayumin received The Idol Makeover and she's cute as a button. When did that happen?

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I still think she looks like a demon out of a horror movie but I will admit she's becoming slowly more bearable to look at. Now only if she were bearable to listen to.
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I'm late to this party but SAKURA <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' /> I hope they don't break her voice.



And I just don't understand the puffy sleeves on Kanon. They obviously get custom made costumes for everything... don't they LOOK at the girls when they're done? I'm so curious about their thought process here. Unless it's intentional punishment to try to pressure a girl into losing weight...
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