[TNX] Okada Robin Shoko goes risque

[Shoujo Q]

Robin has a DVD coming out on March 20th and a Photobook on the 26th. But first, for all those Robin fans out there. I give you this cute little video.



Title of the DVD is Bikini Tocchaimashita! by Robin.





A 48-page photobook to go along with this DVD will also be released, titled "Robin no Shouko"





And boy, is it a photobook. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ek3run.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sigh:' /> I thought this was Nice Girl Project, not Naughty Girl Project. To much Robin!

[al kusanagi]

This is the kind of shit that makes me loathe AKB71.

[AEUGNewtype]

Too bad this has less than nothing to do with AKB.



This is awesome, though, the other Possible girls need books as well. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ebleed.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sigh:' />

[al kusanagi]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76407' date='Feb 28 2010, 06:47 AM']Too bad this has less than nothing to do with AKB.



This is awesome, though, the other Possible girls need books as well. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ebleed.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nosebleed:' />[/quote]



I know it's not AKB, but this is the kind of wota spank-fantasy pandering they do. Half nekkid music idols need some level of class which HP still manages (other than that whole 6th generation fitness test fiasco).

[Haru]

If I randomly dissapear from the internet, it's because the FBI has raided my house after spying on me and realising I was looking at child pornography.



Seriously, I don't care if it's "tasteful" or not. Seventeen year olds don't need to be doing that shit.

[tsukinobyouin]

She looks great, and from what I can tell from the small pictures in that second preview, the pictures look tasteful. Meaning they're just straight up sexy, not made to look like she's giving a handjob just off camera *cough*AKB*cough*.



On one hand, we'd be kidding ourselves to act like most 16~17 year olds are innocent and virginal and have never had any sort of sexual experience. But at the same time, that's different from showing off your sexuality to the public, especially when "the public" for you is largely made up of middle aged men. =/

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='76416' date='Feb 28 2010, 07:26 PM']Half nekkid music idols need some level of class which HP still manages (other than that whole 6th generation fitness test fiasco).[/quote]



I don't think this is any different than the bikini butt-shots.



She looks like a nice girl, this is actually the first time I see her I think. I can't say much more than that...



I think it's funny Haru talks about child pornography when she herself is a minor. lol

[Gerald]

[quote name='TnB' post='76437' date='Feb 28 2010, 09:47 PM']On one hand, we'd be kidding ourselves to act like most 16~17 year olds are innocent and virginal and have never had any sort of sexual experience. But at the same time, that's different from showing off your sexuality to the public, especially when "the public" for you is largely made up of middle aged men. =/[/quote]

I am getting a bit confused here, surely the whole wota-fantasy of idols is that they are pure and probably don't even know what a boy is at least until the meet the fantasising wota when they would instantly fall in love with him. If they start pushing the limits, which some of these pictures seem to, aren't they running the risk of alienating the wota or is it a general idol trend? I haven't seen any of the AKB48 stuff so I don't know how suggestive that is.



I have to say that I have been getting a feeling that they, presumably UFA, have been making MM more sexy in recent concerts in both costumes and choreography. Of course that could just be wishful thinking <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nosebleed:' />.

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76448' date='Feb 28 2010, 06:20 PM'][quote name='TnB' post='76437' date='Feb 28 2010, 09:47 PM']On one hand, we'd be kidding ourselves to act like most 16~17 year olds are innocent and virginal and have never had any sort of sexual experience. But at the same time, that's different from showing off your sexuality to the public, especially when "the public" for you is largely made up of middle aged men. =/[/quote]

I am getting a bit confused here, surely the whole wota-fantasy of idols is that they are pure and probably don't even know what a boy is at least until the meet the fantasising wota when they would instantly fall in love with him. If they start pushing the limits, which some of these pictures seem to, aren't they running the risk of alienating the wota or is it a general idol trend? I haven't seen any of the AKB48 stuff so I don't know how suggestive that is.

[/quote]



To put it bluntly, the creepiest of wota (which is not all fans by any means) don't just have some fantasy about a pure romance, they get off on these girls. And in general most people find it easier to get off to something that's more like porn than just a cute girl standing around fully clothed in an innocent position. Many idols use varying degrees of the power of suggestion, but the suggestion usually leaves things open for the viewer to insert themselves into the situation. I.e. the girl may be laying on a bed with a "come get me" look, but she won't be laying in a bed cuddled up to a male model.



The AKB thing I was referring to was a DVD someone showed me a while back. There was a scene where the girl "accidentally" spilled white toothpaste all over her boobs. Later, she was sucking on a popsicle held by someone off camera. Then she was polishing the gear shift in a car. Get the idea? It's easier to make a quick buck off of books like that than it is to maintain some level of class, as Al put it.

[thamychan]

Woah, Robin has gone Kago? Because that was what I thought when I saw the pictures. No, actually i thought it was a joke of some sort. NGP has always been a little bit more extreme but wow... I just hope that is the worst there is to it and that there won't be more surprises inside.

[AEUGNewtype]

Yeah, these really aren't even bad at all as some people seem to be making them out to be. TNX is slightly more risque than H!P's crap where they just walk around in outfits and lean against a wall or something, but AKB and Idoling! are so far much worse than either, where they get into even more suggestive outfits and poses or a lot of innuendo. I just finished watching the recent Idoling! PB video where the girl is wearing thongs in almost every shoot and sticking her ass up in the air and literally into the camera for half of the video, as well as taking multiple showers and baths.

[Special Needs Tricycle]

Idoling!!! doesn't do the girls' PBs. Each girl has their own agency. Some of them do nasty PBs, but some of them don't do PVs at all. One of them is like, a Serious Model who only does fashion magazine shoots and stuff. I think AKB48 is somewhat the same, but they have their own agency for girls who won't get picked up by other ones or something. I think the girl TnB was talking about is in the AKB agency, cause the DVD had AKB AKB AKB all over it.



But yeah, I assume you're talking about Morita Suzuka. She already has her foot in the door with her Sentai stuff, but she still does nasty PBs and IVs. :/

[Gerald]

[quote name='TnB' post='76457' date='Mar 1 2010, 12:54 AM']To put it bluntly, the creepiest of wota (which is not all fans by any means) don't just have some fantasy about a pure romance, they get off on these girls. And in general most people find it easier to get off to something that's more like porn than just a cute girl standing around fully clothed in an innocent position. Many idols use varying degrees of the power of suggestion, but the suggestion usually leaves things open for the viewer to insert themselves into the situation. I.e. the girl may be laying on a bed with a "come get me" look, but she won't be laying in a bed cuddled up to a male model.



The AKB thing I was referring to was a DVD someone showed me a while back. There was a scene where the girl "accidentally" spilled white toothpaste all over her boobs. Later, she was sucking on a popsicle held by someone off camera. Then she was polishing the gear shift in a car. Get the idea? It's easier to make a quick buck off of books like that than it is to maintain some level of class, as Al put it.[/quote]

Ah thanks, I think it all sounds a bit too creepy for me <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... prised.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />. I have to confess to downloading some of the MM PBs and although individually they are OK and mostly innocent I tend to find they are all a bit too samey and I probably look at them once or twice at the most even the girls I think are attractive e.g. Ai and Eri.



I hope TNX/H!P whatever don't take any of the girls too down-market, not because I give a damn about whether they have boyfriends or not and whether they are as pure as the driven snow but because I would just find it exploitative with girls who don't really have much choice.

[Farrah]

I am only a year younger than her. I don't even. This is blatant sexualization of a TEEN for the purpose of wota jerking themselves off to it. I think my head just exploded.

[aine]

[quote name='PQ' post='76393' date='Feb 28 2010, 05:52 AM']Naughty Girl Project.[/quote]

Suddenly, the TNX section's popularity skyrockets!



[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='76416' date='Feb 28 2010, 07:26 PM']this is the kind of wota spank-fantasy pandering they do. Half nekkid music idols need some level of class which HP still manages[/quote]

I'm with Al on this one. HOWEVER, this thread needs a bit more of hate the songs producers, not the singers before you all write AKB off as a bunch of good for one thing slutwhores. Just saying.



Either way, while not near the level of what TnB has described, this DVD cover is clearly the kind of softcore but blatant cocktease stuff that's just below (or above?) my threshold of interest. Sad.



[quote name='Ang' post='76512' date='Mar 2 2010, 12:35 AM']I am only a year younger than her. I don't even. This is blatant sexualization of a TEEN for the purpose of wota jerking themselves off to it. I think my head just exploded.[/quote]

I thought you've been here for quite a while? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sick:' /> Is the BBS really such a wholesome and family-friendly shelter from the realities of the Japanese idol business? I guess that's nice, in a way.

[Farrah]

I haven't ever seen UFA or TNX actually get a teenager topless in a PB before, and actually gave them extra respect for keeping things a bit classier than many other idol companies. I've always been aware that the idol business could be quite seedy, but imo TNX and H!P have generally kept things classier than, say, AKB48. Some H!P things rub me the wrong way of course, like the maid costumes and kitty ears and such they sometimes have them running around in, but... I don't know. I am just very disappointed by this because I expected better. With maid costumes and kitty ears, one has to read sex into it, it isn't overtly sexual like some of the shots from this PB look to be. The first picture looks a bit more like standard H!P fare, but the second photo with her barely covered by 2 clothes or with her shirt hanging open... those are the ones that gross me out.

[aine]

Ah, ok, I'm with you now. This is largely a precedent for UFA/TNX - it's just that your post made it seem that you were not aware at all that this sort of stuff was going on outside of our bubble. Truth is, this bubble of relative decency is really marginal compared to the rest of the biz around it.

[Haru]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='76440' date='Feb 28 2010, 05:26 PM']I think it's funny Haru talks about child pornography when she herself is a minor. lol[/quote]



Not in South Carolina I'm not. c:

I could've gotten married two years ago. lol



I know this kind of thing exists in idoldom, but it shouldn't be with a teenager. If, for instance, Ai or Reina did it, I think that would be a little more acceptable because they're both in their twenties.

Maid costumes are no big deal to me. Miya wore them one in the We Are Buono! photobook. I'm even okay with the bikini shots (although the ones of Airi in her photo books, especially her first books when she was like...what, thirteen? They made me kind of wtf).

But this is just not right. :c

[vanillacat]

Oh, you kids. Reminds me of back when I was the board baby...



There's a fine line here, and I think it's being crossed, to be honest. Take shots like the bottom right on the left page.

I've seen that exact same pose before in standard pornography (disclaimer: it's the internet, the shit is unavoidable) - seductively crawling with her ass in the air. The only difference between this shot and standard pornography is a tiny white string bikini... Hell, if I squint, it all but disappears.



Just because this isn't technically child pornography doesn't mean it's ok. I know TNX isn't exactly a big prestigious company, but this is so cheap and trashy...

[Gerald]

[quote name='vanillacat' post='76674' date='Mar 4 2010, 11:16 PM']Oh, you kids. Reminds me of back when I was the board baby...



There's a fine line here, and I think it's being crossed, to be honest. Take shots like the bottom right on the left page.

I've seen that exact same pose before in standard pornography (disclaimer: it's the internet, the shit is unavoidable) - seductively crawling with her ass in the air. The only difference between this shot and standard pornography is a tiny white string bikini... Hell, if I squint, it all but disappears.



Just because this isn't technically child pornography doesn't mean it's ok. I know TNX isn't exactly a big prestigious company, but this is so cheap and trashy...[/quote]

I find several of those shots borederline distasteful, the school uniform shot just crosses the line with the look up the skirt implication, the shot above "hey look I'm not wearing anything under this and if it slips down a bit more...." and the shot above that "Hey look, no bra and if only the cameraman moved a little to the left you could have a crotch shot".



I have to say that if I saw this in the possession of a male, adult friend I would definitely feel a little uncomfortable.

[AEUGNewtype]

Hahaha, this is hilarious how much everyone is flipping out about this when its actually pretty tame compared to the shit most idols do. It just continues to amuse me that people act like this is an absolute outrage when there's even more graphic stuff out there with much younger girls, and this is all LEGAL in Japan. Carry on.

[al kusanagi]

I got nothing against near nekkid girls, but it's more of a respect thing. That's one of the main reasons I loathe Kago now, because she went the skank route. Aoi Sora started as an AV idol, so that's fine since the bar was set low. But when you're supposed to be a "legit" artist, doing stuff like this just destroys credibility. Hell, look at the backlash Maki Goto got when she changed to her "I'm almost as skanky as Kumi Koda" image, even though that was pretty tame. I guess I also take issue since I'm used to the typical path Japanese starlets took of bikini idol -> model -> CM actress -> TV star -> singer or movie star. If they couldn't get past the first stage or two of that path, then they often backslide to non-nude "chaku-ero" pictures, then AV, or just straight to AV.

[Farrah]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76678' date='Mar 4 2010, 08:29 PM']Hahaha, this is hilarious how much everyone is flipping out about this when its actually pretty tame compared to the shit most idols do. It just continues to amuse me that people act like this is an absolute outrage when there's even more graphic stuff out there with much younger girls, and this is all LEGAL in Japan. Carry on.[/quote]

People are bothered because they've generally expected better from H!P than from other companies. And just because it's tame compared to what other companies do, doesn't make it kosher =/

[Hana]

[quote name='TnB' post='76457' date='Feb 28 2010, 04:54 PM']The AKB thing I was referring to was a DVD someone showed me a while back. There was a scene where the girl "accidentally" spilled white toothpaste all over her boobs. Later, she was sucking on a popsicle held by someone off camera. Then she was polishing the gear shift in a car. Get the idea? It's easier to make a quick buck off of books like that than it is to maintain some level of class, as Al put it.[/quote]

That was by a former AKB member, FYI, and it came out like, 5 months after she left*, so I don't see what AKB really has to do with it other than she was a former member and the title was AKB48 Graduation (with 2 other girls who graduated around the same time got as well). I can see how the title was misleading, though.



[tinytext]*Fact checking done through other sources, since I haven't personally watched it.[/tinytext]

[eri]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76678' date='Mar 4 2010, 05:29 PM']and this is all LEGAL in Japan. Carry on.[/quote]



And? Legal does not equal moral. Many people find the trashy objectification of a teenager morally problematic both here AND in Japan. Why is that laughable?



[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76678' date='Mar 4 2010, 05:29 PM']It just continues to amuse me that people act like this is an absolute outrage when there's even more graphic stuff out there with much younger girls[/quote]

Also: there should be outrage over this anyhow. Are you cool with creepy pedo videos of 8 year olds in bikinis? Just because worse things are out there, does not mean that everything else is okay.

[AEUGNewtype]

And? Legal does not equal moral. Many people find the trashy objectification of a teenager morally problematic both here AND in Japan. Why is that laughable?

People implying this has anything to do with "child pornography" is why is it laughable. It is far from pornography of any sort and 16 years old is no child, no matter how many hairs you split. I also think its pretty naive to assume this was all against her will. With how many 16 year old girls nowadays are already willfully showing off their bodies on MySpace and god knows where else on the internet today, I don't see it far-fetched that a 16 year old girl would enjoy showing off herself to get attention. She could've surely said no to any of the outfits or poses they were giving to her.

Also: there should be outrage over this anyhow. Are you cool with creepy pedo videos of 8 year olds in bikinis?

Yeah, you got me, I sure am.



If you even VERY sparingly watch idol videos outside of H!P's "bubble" as aine so accurately described it, I think more people here would realize how silly this is. In my eyes, this is all pure entertainment. If someone would actually get truly sexually aroused from something like this, they've got some major problems. Some idol videos do have some great aesthetic qualities that are actually worth a damn instead of just having coy sexual references, and no one can dictate what the true purpose of such a video really is, there really can't be any determination. With any kinds of videos like this, most of the enjoyment just comes from seeing more material from a girl who we like seeing from music videos, concerts, etc. All of TNX's idol videos are just about on par with this one as far as intensity, and some of them even have younger girls than Robin, but I don't watch them so I can jerk off and be obsessed with their nubile bodies, but seeing the girls whose careers I appreciate frolicking around can be fun if it doesn't get all serious and awkward, and a vast majority of these videos really don't get to that point. I'm going to also bet the video itself isn't even half as graphic as the pictures suggest. They always make the packaging of these seem much more intense than the video actually ends up being.



This is an argument that isn't going to go anywhere because everyone saying this is wrong is so emotionally charged by it. I shouldn't have even got into a discussion about such a touchy subject with a group this touchy and untenable <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/doh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

[JPope]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76693' date='Mar 5 2010, 12:30 AM']This is an argument that isn't going to go anywhere because everyone saying this is wrong is so emotionally charged by it.[/quote]

That's right, blame it all on the folks who don't agree with you.



You're on quite a roll. First, trying to draw comparisons between teenaged female Jonas Brothers fans and adult Morning Musume wotas, and now admonishing bbs members for being outraged by TNX releasing photos of a 16 year-old girl in the process of removing her shirt (with clearly nothing underneath it). The cherry on the top is your opinion that 16 year old girls are not children.



Dude, seriously. The first rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

[Gerald]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76693' date='Mar 5 2010, 05:30 AM']This is an argument that isn't going to go anywhere because everyone saying this is wrong is so emotionally charged by it.[/quote]

I'm sorry I hadn't realised that we were having an argument or we are "so emotionally charged", I was under the impression that we were all discussing in a calm and reasoned manner whether we felt that this PB oversteps what we, granted mostly Westerners, feel is a moral boundary as to what is acceptable for a 16 year old girl to be asked/told to do.



Of course it's going nowhere in the sense that even if we all think it's wrong it ain't gonna matter a damn to TNX or Japanese society but that's not why we are discussing it. We all feel we have some sort of emotional investment in these girls whether it's MM or Berryz or a TNX act and therefore we feel entitled to express an opinion amongst similar like-minded individuals. You are at liberty to express your opinion that you find it acceptable even if it is on the tenuous grounds that there is far worse out there, we are also at liberty to say we feel personally uncomfortable with this. We don't need to be told our opinions are laughable or silly, we happen to like them <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76698' date='Mar 5 2010, 08:10 AM']I was under the impression that we were all discussing in a calm and reasoned manner whether we felt [...]



We all feel we have some sort of emotional investment in these girls whether it's MM or Berryz or a TNX act and therefore we feel entitled to express an opinion amongst similar like-minded individuals. You are at liberty to express your opinion that you find it acceptable even if it is on the tenuous grounds that there is far worse out there, we are also at liberty to say we feel personally uncomfortable with this. We don't need to be told our opinions are laughable or silly, we happen to like them <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.[/quote]

Yet my opinion was attacked...



See ya

[JPope]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='76700' date='Mar 5 2010, 09:42 AM'][quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='76698' date='Mar 5 2010, 08:10 AM']I was under the impression that we were all discussing in a calm and reasoned manner whether we felt [...]



We all feel we have some sort of emotional investment in these girls whether it's MM or Berryz or a TNX act and therefore we feel entitled to express an opinion amongst similar like-minded individuals. You are at liberty to express your opinion that you find it acceptable even if it is on the tenuous grounds that there is far worse out there, we are also at liberty to say we feel personally uncomfortable with this. We don't need to be told our opinions are laughable or silly, we happen to like them <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... umbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.[/quote]

Yet my opinion was attacked...



See ya

[/quote]

Nobody attacked your opinion, although many disagreed with it. You, on the other hand, attacked the opinions of those who disagreed with you. I'd say that you can dish it out but you can't take it, except that you're the only one dishing it out so far.