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Damn, really? Because Ong Bak 2 was supremely disappointing so I'd hoped 3 would be far better. Does he at least used Muay Thai in it? That was the main reason I didn't like 2 was because he just used all the styles I've seen dozens of times before.



Also, was it actually Ong Bak 3? Because in some areas The Protector is called Ong Bak 2, which would make the real Ong Bak 2 (which sucks) technically part 3.
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[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='83323' date='Aug 20 2010, 02:45 AM']Damn, really? Because Ong Bak 2 was supremely disappointing so I'd hoped 3 would be far better. Does he at least used Muay Thai in it? That was the main reason I didn't like 2 was because he just used all the styles I've seen dozens of times before.



Also, was it actually Ong Bak 3? Because in some areas The Protector is called Ong Bak 2, which would make the real Ong Bak 2 (which sucks) technically part 3.[/quote]

Yeah, it's the real Ong Bak 3. It was released in May, I think. I'm no expert, but I recognized some definite Muay Thai moves (flying knees and plenty of elbow-to-skull action), but most of the fight scenes are cut up so bad that they just don't satisfy. I think Jaa was going for some sort of dealio where the Tian character becomes one with nature and learns to eschew his vengeful side, which leads to a bunch of crappy training/dancing scenes that are too long and boring. Seriously, the villain gets the best fight action. And the "plot twist" is such a god damned cop out that I wanted to punch myself for sitting through the hour-and-fifteen-minutes it took to get to it.



I haven't seen the real Ong Bak 2 yet, but everything I've read makes it sound like fucking Enter The Dragon compared to part 3.
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<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Ong-Bak was so good, but Ong-Bak 2 was pretty bad already. I'll definitely be avoiding the third one.
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Machine Girl



Killing has never been so cute.

I liked it, but it's not as good as Tokyo Gore Police.
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I'm going to the movies tonight, anyone have any suggestions on what I should see? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':weeeh:' /> I haven't been to the movies in months! D:
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[quote name='PQ' post='84149' date='Aug 30 2010, 08:04 PM']I'm going to the movies tonight, anyone have any suggestions on what I should see? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':weeeh:' /> I haven't been to the movies in months! D:[/quote]



We don't really know what kind of movies you like.

So I'd just say check out the current releases on Rotten Tomatoes:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie/in_the...h&order=asc
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[quote name='PQ' post='84149' date='Aug 30 2010, 08:04 PM']I'm going to the movies tonight, anyone have any suggestions on what I should see? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':weeeh:' /> I haven't been to the movies in months! D:[/quote]

Scott Pilgrim, it needs the money!



Anyway, I saw Ratatouille! It was the worst Pixar movie I ever saw! That means I still kinda enjoyed it and it had its moments, but still! Spoiler warning cause I'm gonna complain about everything including the ending!



I have a lot to complain about. First of all, the reason I never watched it was because I just didn't like the premise. I don't really like people who fetishize food, so the appeal of a main character whose defining trait was just that just wasn't gonna do it for me. But I read a few articles in which the movie was named as their favorite Pixar movie, or their favorite animation movie, and it was the last Pixar movie that I hadn't seen aside from Toy Story 2 (I'll get to that someday too), so I felt I had to see it. I was right though, the premise is dumb. A rat who loves cooking and becomes a chef in a restaurant? I'm sorry, but I hate that premise. I know Pixar can pull off stupid premises and make them unbelievably awesome (Cars comes readily to mind), but still.



So ok, the first thing I notice is that the main character introduces himself in a voice-over as (paraphrased) "a rat with good taste in food". Why the voice-over? The visuals were showing me just that--you thought we wouldn't get it? So right off the bat, this movie is looking down on me as a viewer. That's the first time a Pixar movie has done that to me, as far as I can remember. Woody didn't have to tell me he was a toy, and WALL-E didn't go "oh by the way, you may not realize this but I'm actually a robot".



Letting that slide, I immediately noticed something else: the main character is an idiot. He has no regard for (very real) danger and his idiocy causes disaster (his family has to flee from their homes because he just had to watch tv and read a book), and worse than that, he causes the plot of the movie to happen by his idiocy! That's really lazy, hack writing. Other Pixar movies don't do this: they follow a logical sequence of events and characters that react in a natural way to their environment. And he's a jerk, and not in a fun way either, just thoroughly unlikeable.



So he ends up in Paris, right in front of the restaurant of the chef he admires (convenience of conveniences, and I'm not quite buying this "rats can read/watch tv" thing either, really pushing my suspense of disbelief here guys). He goes in, and it turns out there's a guy there that just got hired and sucks ass at cooking. The guy "ruins a soup", so he has no choice but to rescue the soup (seriously? This is how you're going to proceed with this? His stupidity causes the whole story? Okay...). So of course he gets caught and now the sucky guy has to go out and kill him. But the guy saw that he was a good cook (the soup was suddenly awesome after he threw 3 slices of onion in it). And then the rat learns he can control the guy by pulling on his hair.



Okay. This is the first time a Pixar movie broke my suspension of disbelief completely. The reason is that this movie is set in OUR WORLD. Admittedly, so is Toy Story, but Toy Story is believable--nothing happens that couldn't really be happening in our world. That's the point of the movie, it's fantastic to think what toys might be up to when you're not looking. Movies like the Incredibles (which is, har har, "incredibly", by the same director as Ratatouille) are not set in our world--we don't have superheroes. That makes it science fiction, and WALL-E falls under that too, of course. The closest thing was Up with its magic balloons and the talking dog, but while that was pushing it a bit, this is more like slamming it into orbit.



So anyway, there's more to complain about, let's move on. This rat controls this guy to make delicious food. But wait. Just why is this guy so desperate for this job? He's the garbage boy, and his boss treats him like shit. Paris has other jobs, even if he lost "so many". And the villain's actions make very little sense and seems to be there only because movies just need an antagonist. So of course he's a full-on pantomime villain. It turns out that the garbage boy inherits the restaurant if he works there for a period of time (long lost son gambit), but he doesn't know that, and it doesn't really matter for the story, cause pretty much as soon as he gets the restaurant, it closes down. So what was the point of that whole plot? Did they really just put that in to give the bad guy something to fret and angst about?



Anyway, the kid falls in love with a feisty chef-ette, because she's the only female character in the movie. I sure love a cliché! No other character gets anything other than a throwaway tag, so what the hell, something has to happen (even the rats have no personality, "grumpy unsatisfied-with-his-son dad" and "goofy fat brother" are not personalities, they're cardboard cut-outs).



But another thing: nobody ever questions this fucking rat's taste. There's no learning process, really, and everything he does is right. Apparently food is like that--everybody loves the same thing. Everybody hates frozen dinners, and everybody loves this rat's cooking. There's no tension at all--when the "evil critic" who "destroyed" the restaurant with a bad review is introduced, you can immediately assume he's going to come to the restaurant, eat the food, and be delighted at how good it is. That assumption is completely correct. While other Pixar movies may have had predictable outcomes in general terms, they're never this by-the-book. Monsters Inc., say, has an extremely clever twist to the end that I honestly didn't see coming beforehand. The setup of Toy Story 3, with the daycare center run by the benevolent Lotsa Hugs bear--I did not expect how that turned out to be. I'm not that smart, and I tend to not think ahead when watching a movie. Ratatouille was 100% predictable from beginning to end, in a way that even I picked up on it.



So what are the good parts? Well... Some of the dialog is really funny and sharp, and the city of Paris is rendered with the kind of love only someone who never stayed there for any significant period of time could muster. The action and slapstick are pretty good, and there's a quite moving speech from the critic at the end of the movie. The romance is pretty solid too, in my opinion. Overall, I didn't hate watching it, but I didn't love it like every other Pixar movie they've made so far. 2 stars.



Oh yeah. At the end of the movie, it turns out the rat was telling the story to a group of rats, and that was the voice over. Do you ever start out a story with "As you may have noticed, I'm a human"?
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[quote name='///' post='84153' date='Aug 30 2010, 02:32 PM']Oh yeah. At the end of the movie, it turns out the rat was telling the story to a group of rats, and that was the voice over. Do you ever start out a story with "As you may have noticed, I'm a human"?[/quote]

No, but people describe themselves as, say, a "man with good taste in fine Polynesian rugs", so a "rat with good taste in food" isn't too far off. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... cratch.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':headscratch:' />
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[quote name='///' post='84153' date='Aug 30 2010, 11:32 AM']Anyway, I saw Ratatouille! It was the worst Pixar movie I ever saw! That means I still kinda enjoyed it and it had its moments, but still! Spoiler warning cause I'm gonna complain about everything including the ending![/quote]



THANK YOU. This movie sucked compared to most Pixar films and I couldn't understand the love squandered on the absolutely disgusting premise: rats in your restaurant kitchen?! Nasty.
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The Incredibles and Up are the only Pixar movies I really enjoyed.



Can't wait for Machete this week. It'll teach the Expendables a thing or two about how to do a truly epic retarded action movie.
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[quote name='eri' post='84178' date='Aug 30 2010, 09:05 PM'][quote name='///' post='84153' date='Aug 30 2010, 11:32 AM']Anyway, I saw Ratatouille! It was the worst Pixar movie I ever saw! That means I still kinda enjoyed it and it had its moments, but still! Spoiler warning cause I'm gonna complain about everything including the ending![/quote]



THANK YOU. This movie sucked compared to most Pixar films and I couldn't understand the love squandered on the absolutely disgusting premise: rats in your restaurant kitchen?! Nasty.

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Cars and The Incredibles were worse. Car especially.
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So I saw Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and it was pretty awesome if you're into gaming and can understand half of what is going on. Which thankfully I could follow.



I find it funny that Ellen Wong is older then Michael Cera and yet she played the high school. ;D
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[quote name='neshcom' post='84181' date='Aug 30 2010, 06:30 PM'][quote name='eri' post='84178' date='Aug 30 2010, 09:05 PM'][quote name='///' post='84153' date='Aug 30 2010, 11:32 AM']Anyway, I saw Ratatouille! It was the worst Pixar movie I ever saw! That means I still kinda enjoyed it and it had its moments, but still! Spoiler warning cause I'm gonna complain about everything including the ending![/quote]



THANK YOU. This movie sucked compared to most Pixar films and I couldn't understand the love squandered on the absolutely disgusting premise: rats in your restaurant kitchen?! Nasty.

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Cars and The Incredibles were worse. Car especially.

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See, I forgot Cars even existed. That is a sure sign it was awful. Incredibles was silly and fun - I enjoyed it more than the convoluted love story/ personal development/ silly animal hijinks of Rataouille.
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Ellen Wong is the first woman to make me want to exclaim that she's "mai waifu!" She was just damned adorable on SP.



Also, Best Buy was selling a ton of blu-rays for 7 to 12 bucks, so I picked up a ton today:



Drag Me to Hell

House of Flying Daggers

Shogun Assassin

Trick R Treat

High Tension

Hard Candy

Blair Witch Project



I've only seen the last two before, but even if they suck, they all have commentary tracks which I tend to enjoy more than the actual movies in most cases.



Also got The Good, The Bad, and The Weird a couple of weeks ago and finally watched it. Badass! It's what the last Indiana Jones movie should have been. Also, I guess I'll have to add Jung Woo-sung to the "not that I'd ever be but if I was forced to be gay then he'd be okay" list.
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I liked Ratatouille a lot. I was going in with no hopes (since back then I hadn't really seen many Pixar films and was annoyed by all the hype and praise around them) and was very pleasantly surprised.



I also liked The Incredibles, WALL-E (this is my favourite Pixar movie) and Finding Nemo. Monsters was nice.

I'm going to watch UP some day. It seems ok.



I've never seen Cars, because it looked like shit from the previews.



The only Pixar movies I absolutely can't stand, and I know I'm in the minority here or everywhere I go, are the toy story movies.





I hope there'll be a Machete trailer before The Expendables on wednesday !
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[quote name='Ap2000' post='84209' date='Aug 31 2010, 05:50 AM']I liked Ratatouille a lot. I was going in with no hopes (since back then I hadn't really seen many Pixar films and was annoyed by all the hype and praise around them) and was very pleasantly surprised.



I also liked The Incredibles, WALL-E (this is my favourite Pixar movie) and Finding Nemo. Monsters was nice.

I'm going to watch UP some day. It seems ok.



I've never seen Cars, because it looked like shit from the previews.



The only Pixar movies I absolutely can't stand, and I know I'm in the minority here or everywhere I go, are the toy story movies.[/quote]



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I always have to keep my mouth shut because everyone fanboys out over them, but man... Toy Story movies bore me to tears. I don't feel for the characters much, the storylines... I forgot what they even were except for the bully in the first one, and the style is ehhhh.



Ratatouille on the other hand. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
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[quote name='Pflaume' post='84218' date='Aug 31 2010, 04:36 PM']<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> You mah homie.



I always have to keep my mouth shut because everyone fanboys out over them, but man... Toy Story movies bore me to tears. I don't feel for the characters much, the storylines... I forgot what they even were except for the bully in the first tone, and the style is ehhhh.



Ratatouille on the other hand. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/wub.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />[/quote]



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Okay one more. For a movie supposedly about the love for good food, all the food looked terrible. (But this could be me, I fucking hate "haute cuisine"-style food.)
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[quote name='Ap2000' post='84209' date='Aug 31 2010, 05:50 AM']I'm going to watch UP some day. It seems ok.[/quote]

See it. It's a lot better than ok.
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Hello? Rats in the kitchen??
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UP really is good. It makes grown men bawl like babies, and any animated film that can do that is worth its weight in gold and saffron.



But these were adorable rats. I would eat a cake made by those rats.
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I wanted to point out in the now locked thread that Avatar may be the highest grossing film of all time, but ticket sales and adjusted grosses for all modern cinema can't compare to classic film. 'kipedia has a nice section on it. Also, Alice and Wonderland is this years highest grossing film which is seven shades of sad.
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I'm sure Japan helped quite a bit with that Alice gross. They need to release Scott Pilgrim there so it can make back its budget at least. Just the fact that it has Japanese actors in it is enough to make it number one for at least a week there.
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I think it'll make its money in DVD sales too, probably. Might take a while but I'd be surprised if it doesn't get picked up more as it goes on just based on how good it is and how well-received it is. Honestly, I also think it's probably better as a DVD movie than a cinema movie, it really holds up well on repeat viewings since it's so high paced. I saw it twice and I missed or forgot like a good quarter of the things I saw the second time around.
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Saw The Expendables and I think it's way better than some critics say.

The only bad thing it had was some way too close camera. (why are directors still doing this !?!)

Other than that it was a huge load of fun and especially the second half had some very nice action scenes.



Of course the Arnold/Bruce/Silvester scene was the biggest moment in the history of cinema.
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My only problem with the Expendables was using CG blood rather than good old gore effects.



Been going through some of the blu-rays I picked up, and I absolutely love Trick R Treat. Great horror anthology black comedy in the tradition of Creepshow, and with so many things crossing over between the stories, that it would probably take at least 4 viewings to catch them all.
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[quote name='Ap2000' post='84331' date='Sep 1 2010, 02:05 PM']Saw The Expendables and I think it's way better than some critics say.

The only bad thing it had was some way too close camera. (why are directors still doing this !?!)

Other than that it was a huge load of fun and especially the second half had some very nice action scenes.



Of course the Arnold/Bruce/Silvester scene was the biggest moment in the history of cinema.[/quote]

I haven't seen it yet, but one of the things holding me back is regarding that very scene. Do the three of them actually have an ACTION scene together, or is it just talking like what was shown in the trailer? Cos honestly, that's the only thing that really piqued my interest & if they actually fight with/against each other I'll rush the fuck over to the theater now.
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[quote name='Geof' post='84598' date='Sep 5 2010, 11:41 PM']I haven't seen it yet, but one of the things holding me back is regarding that very scene. Do the three of them actually have an ACTION scene together, or is it just talking like what was shown in the trailer? Cos honestly, that's the only thing that really piqued my interest & if they actually fight with/against each other I'll rush the fuck over to the theater now.[/quote]



They have a conversation with eachother, are constantly smiling (except for Stallone... who can't really smile anymore haha) and made some great jokes and references to eachother.
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My god, if they dare fuck up Pokemon by making some shitty live action movie. It looks pretty fake, though. For one thing, that trailer looked decidedly mature for a movie based on a series with a large young fanbase. It would be a strange move if they aimed it at an older demographic.
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