S/mileage New Member Audition!

showraniy · Post by **showraniy** » Sun May 29, 2011 10:07 pm

I consistently fail to see, Turtle, how you always equate sales with success. When arguing Morning Musume's case and even here, you seem to associate failure with low sales--which isn't necessarily untrue in its own right--but you seem to view sales as the definitive end-all, be-all indicator of success and worth from the looks of things.

I'll be honest and say I don't know much about S/mileage at all minus their first two singles and Kanon because she's brilliant, but it's also possible that; in reaching these fabled million units sold a la AKB, the group as a whole could be much more "a mere shadow of its former self" than any low sales could ever indicate, and that to fans could be a much stronger indication of failure than sales would ever be.

rob · Post by **rob** » Sun May 29, 2011 10:10 pm

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' timestamp='1306708163' post='100195']

Yes. Yes I would.

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tsukinobyouin · Post by **tsukinobyouin** » Sun May 29, 2011 11:18 pm

[quote name='showraniy' timestamp='1306732075' post='100209']

I'll be honest and say I don't know much about S/mileage at all minus their first two singles and Kanon because she's brilliant, but it's also possible that; in reaching these fabled million units sold a la AKB, the group as a whole could be much more "a mere shadow of its former self" than any low sales could ever indicate, and that to fans could be a much stronger indication of failure than sales would ever be.

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On top of this, great sales does not always equal great songs. One of the best selling singles of all time in Japan (9th in fact) is SMAP's Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana. It has a nice message and all but it's super generic and boring. SMAP also released an album called Tacomax and a single called Celery, both of which are among their top selling in a ridiculously successful 23 year history. So really, S/mileage should just add KimuTaku. Then they'll soar! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

EmEl · Post by **EmEl** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:10 am

[quote name='TnB' timestamp='1306736282' post='100212']So really, S/mileage should just add KimuTaku.[/quote]

Wasn't that him in the Bijin Mama video?

Gerald · Post by **Gerald** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:44 am

[quote name='showraniy' timestamp='1306732075' post='100209']

I consistently fail to see, Turtle, how you always equate sales with success. When arguing Morning Musume's case and even here, you seem to associate failure with low sales--which isn't necessarily untrue in its own right--but you seem to view sales as the definitive end-all, be-all indicator of success and worth from the looks of things.

I'll be honest and say I don't know much about S/mileage at all minus their first two singles and Kanon because she's brilliant, but it's also possible that; in reaching these fabled million units sold a la AKB, the group as a whole could be much more "a mere shadow of its former self" than any low sales could ever indicate, and that to fans could be a much stronger indication of failure than sales would ever be.

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OK, you are the producer of a music TV show or the editor of a teen magazine, who are you more likely to have on your show/in your magazine, a group selling one million plus per single or one selling 20-25,000?

If you are going to have a successful career in pop you need publicity, record sales=publicity. If S-mileage don't sell records and fill concert halls and sell merchandise they are dead in the water, UFA will axe them.

Long-standing groups can afford not to worry about sales too much, they have their fan-base who will see them in concerts and buy merchandise, to some extent MM fall into this category. If you are new you have to attract the fans or else they will drift away and follow somebody else especially if many of your target fans are in their mid-teens.

Not sure what you mean about "fabled million units" for AKB48, 3 of their last 4 records sold over a million which in these days of illegal downloads and legal downloads not included on the Oricon charts that is hugely impressive. Like them or not, AKB48 will soon eclipse MM for all the "female group" records MM currently hold.

Post by **strawberryjam** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:15 am

This BS set of news makes me glad I hardly care about H!P anymore. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

However, I do think it's interesting they're having auditions in Shibuya/Harajuku (whatever it was). I guess they're trying to appeal to hip youngsters. Because usually, the auditions are usually in some TV building, right, which I would assume was in a business district? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hahaha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' />

Melon · Post by **Melon** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:32 am

First off, not every group is AKB. Stop using them as some sort of benchmark for sales. The only benchmark AKB can be compared to is Johnny's. I'm pretty certain everyone in the entertainment business knows this, otherwise the only celebrities we'd see on music shows are AKB and Johnny's. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... lleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />

Of the other idol groups in comparison to S/mileage, they sell on par. UFA knows they aren't going to sell a million units, why the hell do you think everything is so low budget with H!P? If they didn't make a profit off it, then it wouldn't exist. Period. Even if they don't profit off sales, they will profit off the tours, concert goods, 10 cent photos selling for 5$, ect ect ect. If they couldn't fill the current concert halls by themselves then A. they'd get smaller venues or B. they would be piggybacked onto another group as a co-op tour. If their concert DVDs didn't sell then they wouldn't release them. There are several artists I listen to (and one I adore in particular hi pucchi who knows my pain) that do not get widespread releases of their tours. We get a DVD for every tour the group does. They get into the top ten at oricon. I fail to see that as a failure. If the artist was dead in the water they would not be a top ten artist. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

' /> Their main problem is lack of legs, but I don't see many artists that have strong legs nowadays anyway. Oricon is also exclusive about whose sales they do count. For all I know, s/mileage could be killing it in sales but since someone in UFA pissed an oricon exec off we don't see it.

THEY WON THE BEST NEW ARTIST AWARD (over some AKB spinoff iirc) how is that a failure lmaoooooooo

The people who love H!P love it because it's not AKB. Why go for some inferior rip off when you can have the real thing? That is why doing any sort of AKB ripoff is bad business for H!P. UFA management is full of a bunch of fucktards that fuck up what miracles they are handed.

Post by **strawberryjam** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:36 am

Lets just create our own H!P. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

Melon · Post by **Melon** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:37 am

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /dance.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dance:' /> First rule is being over teenage years does not mean you are a grandma.

EmEl · Post by **EmEl** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:45 am

I don't really see this as aimed at AKB. With all of S/mileage's history so far, I see far more parallels with Morning Musume. In other words, it's just Tsunku being Tsunku (or UFA being UFA, either way). It's not Tsunku being AKB. This is what they do. They see the chance to turn the S/mileage brand into a perpetual motion machine that continuously sells 25000 singles and 2000-person concerts. Now the group can't die if one girl decided to quit.

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']Their main problem is lack of legs, but I don't see many artists that have strong legs nowadays anyway.

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You're crazy, theirs are the freshest.

Shoujo Q · Post by **Shoujo Q** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:52 am

You know if you took away AKB's elections and their need to make 5 different singles with different c/w's, AKB would probably sell just about the same as every other idol group or normal group today. Akimoto's team just knows how to market better then UFA knows how to market.

S/mileage was doing well for itself. In the eyes of UFA it isn't all about the singles/albums. It's about the whole ball of yarn, the magazines, concerts, television, and other misc. stuff. And out of all the H!P groups, S/mileage is getting the most attention. C-ute despite the fact that they can manage to make it into the top 10 on their single releases gets the lowest attention. (I'm still waiting for UFA to fix this! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />)

Melon · Post by **Melon** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:53 am

[quote name='Em-El' timestamp='1306763159' post='100223']

I don't really see this as aimed at AKB. With all of S/mileage's history so far, I see far more parallels with Morning Musume. In other words, it's just Tsunku being Tsunku (or UFA being UFA, either way). It's not Tsunku being AKB.

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']Their main problem is lack of legs, but I don't see many artists that have strong legs nowadays anyway.

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You're crazy, theirs are the freshest.

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I was responding to Turtle's "if being like akb gives them million sales" comment. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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Fresh legs are for football, mate!

rob · Post by **rob** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:03 am

H!P has always been better at making music then promoting themselves.

Ap2000 · Post by **Ap2000** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:48 am

[quote name='strawberryjam' timestamp='1306762574' post='100221']

Lets just create our own H!P. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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I'll sacrifice myself for being in charge of Photobooks and gravure DVDs production, planning and shooting.

Especially shooting, oh yeah ! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /crazy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':crazy:' />

eri · Post by **eri** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:42 am

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' timestamp='1306755845' post='100218']

OK, you are the producer of a music TV show or the editor of a teen magazine, who are you more likely to have on your show/in your magazine, a group selling one million plus per single or one selling 20-25,000?

If you are going to have a successful career in pop you need publicity, record sales=publicity. If S-mileage don't sell records and fill concert halls and sell merchandise they are dead in the water, UFA will axe them.

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I can understand your argument - that new groups have to frantically get a powerful fanbase or else the money makers at the top of the food chain will axe them. This is obvious.

However, the problem is,

1. You set the bar too ridiculously high. Not everyone is going to be a million-album-seller. This doesn't mean the group is unsuccessful. 99% of singers in Japan are NOT AKB OR JOHNNYS or and they do just fine.

2. You have a highly skewed image of who is present in the Japanese media. Do you regularly watch all kinds of Japanese tv, read various magazines, listen to multiple radio shows, go to the theater, see dramas and films? If you are only judging "success" via, say, appearances on Music Japan or spreads in UTB then no one is famous but Johnnys and AKB. But that's absurd. All labels promote their talents and getting one's own tv show is a RARE and unlikely status given to super mega stars. This doesn't mean that lack of a tv show means you're unfamous, not selling enough to anyone, and will likely get dropped by your label in a year (See #1).

3. I think S/mileage was impressive. They went from performing in malls and being backup dancers to H!P's generally obscure soloist to winning the Best Newcomers Award -- an award that does NOT cater to idol/wota crowds but is a mainstream event. Look at the company they are in - all big stars (with the except of Hitoto Yo, cause I never heard of her <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />)

2000, 42nd = Hikawa Kiyoshi (enka)

2001, 43rd = W-inds

2002, 44th = Nakashima Mika

2003, 45th = ?? Hitoto Yo

2004, 46th = Otsuka Ai

2005, 47th = AAA

2006, 48th = Ayaka

2007, 49th = C-UTE

2008, 50th = JERO (enka)

2009, 51st = Big Bang (S. Korean)

2010, 52nd = S/mileage -- they beat out Shojo Jidai.

4. Why is everyone still bitching about the death of H!P in this thread <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... dammit.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dammit:' />

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:50 am

Groups have continued to chug along for years selling much, much less than any act in H!P. I'm not too worried about anyone's sales, much less S/mileages. They're doing just fine. Idol groups (except JE because they're wizards) don't ever stay ridiculously popular forever, but that doesn't mean they just call it quits once they lose a lot of it. Even AKB48 probably won't be as big as they are for a really long time. And bulk buying as well as digital sales has become so common that it's really skewed the numbers, and makes it more difficult to judge popularity based on CD sales.

showraniy · Post by **showraniy** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:05 am

OK, you are the producer of a music TV show or the editor of a teen magazine, who are you more likely to have on your show/in your magazine, a group selling one million plus per single or one selling 20-25,000?

If you are going to have a successful career in pop you need publicity, record sales=publicity. If S-mileage don't sell records and fill concert halls and sell merchandise they are dead in the water, UFA will axe them.

Long-standing groups can afford not to worry about sales too much, they have their fan-base who will see them in concerts and buy merchandise, to some extent MM fall into this category. If you are new you have to attract the fans or else they will drift away and follow somebody else especially if many of your target fans are in their mid-teens.

Other people have already said it, but yeah, you do realize this is UFA we're talking about, right? Regardless of exactly which company, idol agencies/companies operate differently from other labels. Idols operate within a niche market to begin with, so you're targeting an entirely different fanbase and promoting in such a way that almost exclusively caters to that fanbase.

And I think we've established that no one is comparing any artist/group to AKB. AKB sells extremely well, but they are the only group that I know of aside from Johnny's groups able to come close to pushing a million units. Ayumi Hamasaki, the sales hog to compete with all sales hogs, can't even push anywhere near 500,000 anymore. Even though both are huge names, AKB has freakishly high sales. No producer in his or her right mind would compare its artist to something like that. It's like Beyonce's producers bitching at her about why she can't get Michael Jackson's sales in a week. There are plenty of other things at play there that have little to nothing to do with the artists' individual success.

Not sure what you mean about "fabled million units" for AKB48, 3 of their last 4 records sold over a million which in these days of illegal downloads and legal downloads not included on the Oricon charts that is hugely impressive. Like them or not, AKB48 will soon eclipse MM for all the "female group" records MM currently hold.

Exactly, it's "impressive" because it's outrageously high considering what other top-selling artists are getting now. "Fabled" because it's highly unlikely any other artist will reach those sales. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I think I'd be stupid to expect any group--especially an idol group in UFA--to ever push a million units now or ever again. It may happen, but I'm not holding my breath, and I honestly don't care. If Music Station and other promotional outlets are looking at AKB's outrageously high sales and using their sales figures as the measuring stick for all other artists, no one can really fall too far behind when the next highest seller after AKB's million isn't even pushing half of that.

EDIT: Oops, eri got to it before me. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Oh well, she probably said it better than I could, but yeah. Point made.

momoirosaya · Post by **momoirosaya** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:20 am

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']

The people who love H!P love it because it's not AKB.

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People love H!P because it's H!P :D

[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1306763559' post='100224']

You know if you took away AKB's elections and their need to make 5 different singles with different c/w's, AKB would probably sell just about the same as every other idol group or normal group today. Akimoto's team just knows how to market better then UFA knows how to market.

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(This is kinda depending on which idol group your talking, but...)

Then how is it that AKB reaches so high on rekochoku?

There are only 2 different versions of the actual CD. A and B. The Limited A & B's come with the handshake event tickets, the regular ones do not. There are only so few Limited ones, and they usually sell out pretty fast, so most sales are from regular versions. Then there's the theather version which just has both (there's only 2) c/w's but no DVD.

Also AKB's single Chance no Junban had NO event tickets and still managed to sell over half a million copies, and considering it was without regular senbatsu members...

And their singles AFTER the election singles always sell MORE. Hebirote sold more than Ponyshu, Iiwake Maybe sold more than Namusapi (I think thats the right single).

And their old singles are STILL selling a couple thousand every month or so.

AKB has way more casual fans than you're giving them credit for.

Plus AKB's whole concept is "Idols you can meet".

S/mileage has got the same thing going on. 2 different c/w's just like AKB.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:33 am

AKB48 are just the big thing right now. Anything they do is going to be very popular at the moment. Morning Musume used to be in the same boat, they just lost most of the casual fans.

al kusanagi · Post by **al kusanagi** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:58 am

I guaran-fucking-tee that if you took the wota buying 100+ copies of every AKB single out of the equation, their numbers wouldn't be a fraction what they are now. Yeah, they'd still be high, because people are retarded, but it's those ultra-retarded should-be-on-a-watch-list motherfuckers that are giving them the insane numbers.

And this it still a retarded idea. I hope if a change happens people boycott the fuck out of whatever new lineup he throws together until it returns to the original four. Rotating members my ass...

eri · Post by **eri** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:06 pm

[quote name='showraniy' timestamp='1306778758' post='100241'] Oops, eri got to it before me. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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High five - all of our points are the same <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']

The people who love H!P love it because it's not AKB.

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People love H!P because it's H!P :D

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Yes.

And, can everything STOP BEING ABOUT AKB?!?!

How a discussion of S/mileage auditions has turned into a complaint about AKB sales is beyond me.

In any case, it is a failed comparison. Wota buy 10 copies for H!P acts as well. The main difference is, AKB is the currently hot idol group that grabbed onto the Otaku Renaissance and H!P is the formerly hot idol company that is no longer trendy by virtue of being old. Both produce catchy songs and put out young girls in romantic/sexually suggestive fantasies for an audience of girls and older men. Both groups have their fans and their merits. The end.

al kusanagi · Post by **al kusanagi** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:17 pm

Sex sells, and right now it's selling EXTREMELY well to wota. AKB have marketing geniuses that have figured that out and

marketed them specifically too that, but then the same crowd that probably thought the whole "ero-kawaii" thing Kumi Koda did is on board as well. I don't fault them for going where the money is, but I hate watching not only the rest of the idol business, but pretty much the entire music business suffering because of it. It's also the same reason why the anime industry has destroyed itself: Other than the stuff based on Shonen Jump comics, it's nearly all softcore porn and moemoe bullshit pandering to the the one group that is buying the shit out of it.

I like HP because it's HP and because it's NOT AKB, and I've been very happy that they've tried to keep the two of them as separate entities, but this whole audition/sub-member/rotating member thing sounds a bit too suspicious.

Melon · Post by **Melon** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:41 pm

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306782401' post='100245']

[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306779630' post='100242']

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']

The people who love H!P love it because it's not AKB.

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People love H!P because it's H!P :D

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Yes.[/quote]

ffs, that was said in response to Turtle's AKB hypothetical question on the previous page. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nfused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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Ap2000 · Post by **Ap2000** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:05 pm

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306777355' post='100237']

2010, 52nd = S/mileage -- they beat out Shojo Jidai.

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Many think that was a national thing actually, that they didn't want to give it to SNSD.

Anderei · Post by **Anderei** » Mon May 30, 2011 2:04 pm

Perhaps, but I still feel like S/mileage actually did more to deserve it. SNSD sold more, but S/mileage were more prominent on TV and in magazines and that sort of thing. SNSD had about two appearances where Sooyoung was the only one actually able to really say anything. Of course, SNSD weren't the only Koreans up for the award last year, though.

Gerald · Post by **Gerald** » Mon May 30, 2011 2:35 pm

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306784465' post='100248']

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306782401' post='100245']

[quote name='Saya' timestamp='1306779630' post='100242']

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1306762338' post='100220']

The people who love H!P love it because it's not AKB.

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People love H!P because it's H!P :D

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Yes.[/quote]

ffs, that was said in response to Turtle's AKB hypothetical question on the previous page. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nfused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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Exactly, I just, jokingly, put forward the suggestion that an AKB48 approach would boost S-mileage to unprecedented heights to see the reaction of those opposed to a new member. I've admitted on other posts that I know very little about pop music in Japan other than H!P so it was a small wind-up on my part. Don't hate me for it.

In future I will signpost my jokes prominently <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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eri · Post by **eri** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:41 pm

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' timestamp='1306791311' post='100254']

Don't hate me for it.

In future I will signpost my jokes prominently <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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No one hates you <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nceman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':danceman:' />

Noa · Post by **Noa** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:48 pm

I'm really upset about this. I'm so pissed off. It's not fair to these girls. They've been through so much, worked their asses off for recognition and then Tsunku or UFA or whoever pulls this total bullshit.

tsukinobyouin · Post by **tsukinobyouin** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:09 pm

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306777355' post='100237']

They went from performing in malls and being backup dancers to H!P's generally obscure soloist to winning the Best Newcomers Award -- an award that does NOT cater to idol/wota crowds but is a mainstream event. Look at the company they are in - all big stars (with the except of Hitoto Yo, cause I never heard of her <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />)

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Tooootally random and unimportant, but just for reference Hitoto Yo is in fact a big star too. She's just a little more folksy than pop-y, so she doesn't appear on the variety circuit and such as much as the others.

[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1306789452' post='100252']

Perhaps, but I still feel like S/mileage actually did more to deserve it. SNSD sold more, but S/mileage were more prominent on TV and in magazines and that sort of thing. SNSD had about two appearances where Sooyoung was the only one actually able to really say anything. Of course, SNSD weren't the only Koreans up for the award last year, though.

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SNSD also wasn't actually "new," just new to Japan. But the girls themselves had been working together and achieving success in Korea for years. Plus none of their material was new either. All they released that year was a few Japanese language versions of singles they had put out ages ago in Korea. S/mileage was brand-new as a group, had all original material, and had to work for their fame. Even if it was an issue of nationalism, the fact that S/mileage was even up for the same award as a group like SNSD says something about their achievements.

rob · Post by **rob** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:53 pm

[quote name='Ap2000' timestamp='1306785942' post='100249']

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1306777355' post='100237']

2010, 52nd = S/mileage -- they beat out Shojo Jidai.

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Many think that was a national thing actually, that they didn't want to give it to SNSD.

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I have three points to make, so shut up and listen.

1. No.

That's just Korean bullshit, "if we don't win the award it must be because THE JAPANESE ARE ALL RACIST PIGS RAWWRWRWRW"

2. I come to this forum to get away from the AKB shit that IMHO is gross, my wife is always telling me stories about how their members are having sex with the managers in the company to get more famous, one of the ex members is a freakin porn star, and one member even got kicked out for getting caught fucking a manager, the whole AKB thing is a big pile of creepy creepiness.

SO STOP MENTIONING THEM. mm-bbs not akb-whore-bbs...

3. Even if you disagree with this change, being angry or pissed off about it won't change anything, cheer up ffs.

Support the artists and have fun with what they do, too much negativity around here.

ok. I'm done.

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