"Yorosen" to end, no more H!P TV shows?

[Vikitty]

http://ssm.laff.jp/blog/2009/02/09-24-7142.html



Yorusen will be ending in Spring this year, and SSM (production?) will be no more. SSM, if I understand correctly, was what produced the original Asayan show 10+ years ago.

[Falcon]

Can I be over dramatic now?



THIS IS THE END OF H!P



Now that that's out of the way. I'll really miss this show actually. As unlike Haromoni@ I look forward to it every week (or so). Now I suppose there is a chance that another company could pick up the show (SSM is dropping the show) but I'm not really sure how likely that is.



What kind of idols don't have a TV show?! (answer: probably most kinds)



edit: corrections and hello!online news link here.

[Ap2000]

Yorosen was the worst thing that happened to H!P... except for coconut musume and Mikan maybe.



But I'm sure ufa will come up with something even worse, if that is possible.

[neshcom]

I was gonna remark about how other idols don't have TV shows, but then I realized we were talking about idols, not stars <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hawhaw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ssh:' /> I don't know how I feel about this. I guess it'll be nice to have one less show I can't won't watch.



I dunno, maybe without SSM, they can get back to good programming, like H!M used to be.

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='neshcom' post='58848' date='Feb 3 2009, 01:51 PM']I was gonna remark about how other idols don't have TV shows, but then I realized we were talking about idols, not stars <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hawhaw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ssh:' /> I don't know how I feel about this. I guess it'll be nice to have one less show I can't won't watch.



I dunno, maybe without SSM, they can get back to good programming, like H!M used to be.[/quote]



I'm not really worried about it overall, since I never watched the show to begin with, but to be honest, I can't really think of any major idol groups that don't have their own - even lesser known groups like Idoling!!! and AKB have shows. The only ones that really come to mind are Tackey & Tsubasa and NEWS, but at least some of the members of those groups are regulars on various shows. Maybe that's the direction MM/Berryz/C-ute will take - have the more popular members become regulars on quiz and other variety shows. I kind of doubt they could even get the slot, but somehow Mai worked her way up from a nobody to a well known variety girl.

[AEUGNewtype]

I actually liked Yorosen whenever it wasn't MM. The Berryz and C-ute episodes were hilarious, and this sucks to see it go, but it doesn't surprise me. It did happen pretty fast, though.

[shadeedge]

On one hand, this might mean that future shows with a different production company might be, you know, decent. The Alo-Hellos have been alright, so there must be someone with half a brain on staff. On the other hand, i'm tending to assume the crappiness of ideas/apparent lack of budget comes more from the H!P side of things, which means quite possibly we can look forward to newly unfettered crapitude.

[eri]

[quote name='shadeedge' post='58859' date='Feb 3 2009, 01:27 PM']On one hand, this might mean that future shows with a different production company might be, you know, decent. The Alo-Hellos have been alright, so there must be someone with half a brain on staff. On the other hand, i'm tending to assume the crappiness of ideas/apparent lack of budget comes more from the H!P side of things, which means quite possibly we can look forward to newly unfettered crapitude.[/quote]



And there will not be a new show sponsored by a new company (or, I highly doubt there will be).



Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.

[stoveroad]

Well, damn. I would've been surprised if Yorosen continued for much longer despite having some really great and funny moments (Saki Nakajima's near tearful break down when she thought ate a kangaroo comes to mind). It was more informercial than a proper show anyway.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='eri' post='58866' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:43 PM']Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.[/quote]

What the hell did you see of this show that made it worthy of being called an eyesore? Why an embarassment? And do you think this was worse than the H!M@ or Berikyuu shows?

[eri]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58877' date='Feb 3 2009, 06:44 PM'][quote name='eri' post='58866' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:43 PM']Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.[/quote]

What the hell did you see of this show that made it worthy of being called an eyesore? Why an embarassment? And do you think this was worse than the H!M@ or Berikyuu shows?

[/quote]



Nothing was worse than H!M@. That didn't make this show "good."

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='eri' post='58881' date='Feb 3 2009, 10:15 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58877' date='Feb 3 2009, 06:44 PM'][quote name='eri' post='58866' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:43 PM']Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.[/quote]

What the hell did you see of this show that made it worthy of being called an eyesore? Why an embarassment? And do you think this was worse than the H!M@ or Berikyuu shows?

[/quote]



Nothing was worse than H!M@. That didn't make this show "good."

[/quote]

You still didn't elaborate. You answered one of three questions.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58877' date='Feb 4 2009, 04:44 AM'][quote name='eri' post='58866' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:43 PM']Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.[/quote]

What the hell did you see of this show that made it worthy of being called an eyesore? Why an embarassment? And do you think this was worse than the H!M@ or Berikyuu shows?

[/quote]



To me, it was worse than H!M@, because H!M@ at least had some new/funny stuff going on at times, but Yorosen was basically just:

"teacher": So this i Hitler-san.

"retarded girl": LOLOLOLOL I'm gonna draw him like this, ROR so cute.



And that repeated and repeated and repeated.



Yes, even (FAR) less interesting than the generic Haromoni episode where they were just drooling themselves to death about how much they think they are the best Musumes after watching their own clips and trying to act embarassed.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='58886' date='Feb 3 2009, 11:44 PM']To me, it was worse than H!M@, because H!M@ at least had some new/funny stuff going on at times, but Yorosen was basically just:

"teacher": So this i Hitler-san.

"retarded girl": LOLOLOLOL I'm gonna draw him like this, ROR so cute.



And that repeated and repeated and repeated.[/quote]

So....you watched one episode? Maybe one week? Good conclusion. I love how everyone gets all riled up about and tries to hold it against the show that they talked about Hitler, when, once again, the Japanese were aligned with the guy in the second World War.

[eri]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58884' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:21 PM'][quote name='eri' post='58881' date='Feb 3 2009, 10:15 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58877' date='Feb 3 2009, 06:44 PM'][quote name='eri' post='58866' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:43 PM']Thank GOD this eyesore was taken off the air. It was all such an embarrasment.[/quote]

What the hell did you see of this show that made it worthy of being called an eyesore? Why an embarassment? And do you think this was worse than the H!M@ or Berikyuu shows?

[/quote]



Nothing was worse than H!M@. That didn't make this show "good."

[/quote]

You still didn't elaborate. You answered one of three questions.

[/quote]





I watched about 5 shows before giving up (and then I saw the infamous Hitler one: so make that 6). And you know what is really telling? I can't even remember the contents of the shows that I saw! I DO remember seeing a Berryz one with Risako screwing up teaching about magic or something inane. The format was repetitive and after the same string of "watch me teach something retarded just because I am cute!" I gave up. The simple fact is, I am no longer some hardcore fan that will lap up anything these girls shit out. A wota could be entertained watching the girls snap gum for an hour but normal fans like me need something even just slightly more substantial.



Remember when Hello Morning had stupid games that included singing songs, running around making human-kanji, etc? And skits that still had some silly story line? And then when they started doing magic tricks we thought it was, like, the end of the world? These things make that show look like Shakespeare!!!



[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58888' date='Feb 3 2009, 07:57 PM'][quote name='Ap2000' post='58886' date='Feb 3 2009, 11:44 PM']To me, it was worse than H!M@, because H!M@ at least had some new/funny stuff going on at times, but Yorosen was basically just:

"teacher": So this i Hitler-san.

"retarded girl": LOLOLOLOL I'm gonna draw him like this, ROR so cute.



And that repeated and repeated and repeated.[/quote]

So....you watched one episode? Maybe one week? Good conclusion. I love how everyone gets all riled up about and tries to hold it against the show that they talked about Hitler, when, once again, the Japanese were aligned with the guy in the second World War.

[/quote]



You're missing the point of the controversy.



And besides, (most) Japanese do not look fondly upon their fascist history just as (most) Germans do not fondly look back on Hitler.

[alita87]

Well since i already expected it, it wasn't much of a shock.



And the article does hint that UFA/HP might be reaching out to another company to create a NEW show, so that'd be good in my eyes, especially if it could atleast get back on the air in other parts of the country, even if it wasn't on simulatneously. (AKB's is one week behind in Aichi, Idoling!!! is the same episode I think... but I'm not sure)



Really out of idols if HP loses their show they'd be the only idols to not have a show. AKB getting a show this year showed how popular they are. And their show is hilarious. Seriously if they're going to make an new show for the new HP, they should look at Idoling!!! and AKBingo for tips because they have great games and completely torture the girls, and it's hilarious. The Idoling!!! the other day was Red Light Green Light with them having to do whatever the conductor said instead of the usual "Daruma san ga koronda". These shows are still on middle of the night (well 12：３０/1am isn't really that bad considering a lot of popular American Dramas and animes are also on really late at night here), but they're on.



I did love Yoresen, but because of it's short format it always felt like something that should be a web special on Gyao, not something broadcast on tv.

[AEUGNewtype]

And you know what's really telling? I can't even remember the contents of the shows that I saw! ... The simple fact is, I am no longer some hardcore fan that will lap up anything these girls shit out. A wota could be entertained watching the girls snap gum for an hour but normal fans like me need something even just slightly more substantial.

You act like anyone who likes the show must be some head-over-heels wota-type fan who laps up any shit that gets thrown out. I'm nothing of the sort and I liked this show and remembered almost every word and scene of the better episodes. You're lightly starting to go beyond just disliking the show and beginning to berate the fans of it.

Remember when Hello Morning had stupid games that included singing songs, running around making human-kanji, etc? And skits that still had some silly story line? And then when they started doing magic tricks we thought it was, like, the end of the world? These things make that show look like Shakespeare!!!

You're out of your mind, that shit was ten times as stupid as Yorosen to me. At least on Yorosen, it had some running themes that not only sometimes actually would be educational if you didn't know about the subjects they're teaching, but gave it more of a purpose beyond what you said; standing around and acting stupid like was so often on H!M. Those were the shows that showcased almost nothing but the "look at how cute I am, watch me run around like an idiot" aspect of the girls involved and was seemingly more than anything, aimed at the wotas who would watch them standing in a while room for an hour and be content. Much of Yorosen is based on real subjects and facts on different things (you obviously didn't watch much, perhaps you didn't really see that) which give some more food for thought than lets-see-who-beat-who-in-a-staring-contest-this-week shows.

You're missing the point of the controversy.



And besides, (most) Japanese do not look fondly upon their fascist history just as (most) Germans do not fondly look back on Hitler.

I'm not missing anything, I know why people are freaking out, I just think its completely blown out of proportion. Its irritating as hell and very shallow to have everyone start tearing the show up just because of this one damn episode and for that reason. I only state my World War II fact for those people who seem to act like the fact that they mentioned Hitler on their show is a war crime or something. I want people to think about how insignificant it really is that they mentioned him on there, since some of them seem to have the mindset like "oh my god that's so wrong, they're bringing shame to the nation of Japan by talking about such a horrible person without only talking about what a horrible person he is!" As if they're the patron saint of the nation of Japan and have to protect them from themselves. And trying to cover up history does nothing but promote future ignorance.



I'm not trying to argue my opinion as fact and say that everyone should love Yorosen, but when everyone starts shitting on it and its fans for rather unsubstantial reasons, I think I have a right to defend what I think.

[eri]

If you enjoyed Yorusen for being educational, then....I have nothing else to say. I mean...seriously? SERIOUSLY?



Personally, I enjoy it when idols actually sing, dance, and make me laugh. The old Hello Morning covered all those things, aside from the Kappa skit crap that I never liked. I also really liked the one-on-one interview sessions they aired with the live band (can't remember the title just now). When the show started featuring magicians or random youtube clips heavily, it meant that the burden of being entertaining was largely handed off to someone else. Yorosen was much better than those, but as a whole it was like watching a less musical version of Sesame Street.



The only person who referenced the Hitler episode as reason for disliking Yorosen was Ap2000. As far as I'm aware, the backlash was against TV Tokyo for airing such idiocy in passing and general outrage that idols are so uneducated. Calling one of the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century "Uncle Hitler" is precisely covering up history. I'm fairly certain the kids were not conducting a critical historical lesson on fascism, racism, and genocide there.



You have just as much a right to defend Yorosen as I do for seriously hating it. So there.



Ps. Re: making me laugh. I can laugh when Risako drops her cue cards in an "awww she's so silly and cute, hehe." That is very different than Mari and Yossi cracking me up with super lame jokes for Maki. Like when they drop a giant plastic clear bowl in front of Maki saying "I DROPPED MY CONTACT." Stupid but funny!

[sadude]

Remember when Hello Morning had stupid games that included singing songs, running around making human-kanji, etc? And skits that still had some silly story line? And then when they started doing magic tricks we thought it was, like, the end of the world? These things make that show look like Shakespeare!!!

You're out of your mind, that shit was ten times as stupid as Yorosen to me. At least on Yorosen, it had some running themes that not only sometimes actually would be educational if you didn't know about the subjects they're teaching, but gave it more of a purpose beyond what you said; standing around and acting stupid like was so often on H!M. Those were the shows that showcased almost nothing but the "look at how cute I am, watch me run around like an idiot" aspect of the girls involved and was seemingly more than anything, aimed at the wotas who would watch them standing in a while room for an hour and be content. Much of Yorosen is based on real subjects and facts on different things (you obviously didn't watch much, perhaps you didn't really see that) which give some more food for thought than lets-see-who-beat-who-in-a-staring-contest-this-week shows.



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I'm not trying to argue my opinion as fact and say that everyone should love Yorosen, but when everyone starts shitting on it and its fans for rather unsubstantial reasons, I think I have a right to defend what I think.

If you enjoyed Yorusen for being educational, then....I have nothing else to say. I mean...seriously? SERIOUSLY?



Personally, I enjoy it when idols actually sing, dance, and make me laugh. The old Hello Morning covered all those things, aside from the Kappa skit crap that I never liked. I also really liked the one-on-one interview sessions they aired with the live band (can't remember the title just now). When the show started featuring magicians or random youtube clips heavily, it meant that the burden of being entertaining was largely handed off to someone else. Yorosen was much better than those, but as a whole it was like watching a less musical version of Sesame Street.



[...]



You have just as much a right to defend Yorosen as I do for seriously hating it. So there.

Eh, it's a different style of entertainment that you each enjoy. H!M vs. Yorosen is basically "look at how cute I am, watch me run around like an idiot in more physical and entertainment-based interactions (songs, skits, games, etc.)" vs, "look at how cute I am, watch me sit and talk around like an idiot in "intellectual"-based interactions (learning and discussion)". Am I missing something?

At least on Yorosen, it had some running themes that not only sometimes actually would be educational if you didn't know about the subjects they're teaching, but gave it more of a purpose beyond what you said; standing around and acting stupid like was so often on H!M. Those were the shows that showcased almost nothing but the "look at how cute I am, watch me run around like an idiot" aspect of the girls involved and was seemingly more than anything, aimed at the wotas who would watch them standing in a while room for an hour and be content. Much of Yorosen is based on real subjects and facts on different things (you obviously didn't watch much, perhaps you didn't really see that) which give some more food for thought than lets-see-who-beat-who-in-a-staring-contest-this-week shows.

Aside from the potential educational factor that Yorosen has, what is the purpose? What do you like about it that H!M didn't have? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm curious what you get out of the show.

As for that educational factor that you mentioned, I can't imagine that they're going too deep into their subject matters. Also, it's hard to take the show seriously when they did not represent Hitler very well.



Oh, and I have to disclaimer that I watched maybe two episodes of it so I don't know the show very well. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':suika:' />

[peachgirldb]

I learned a lot about tuna from Eri.

[AEUGNewtype]

If you enjoyed Yorusen for being educational, then....I have nothing else to say. I mean...seriously? SERIOUSLY?

I'm not saying I enjoyed it because it educated me, personally, but just like sadude said, it has very much potential to be educational if you don't know much about what their subject is, and especially if younger kids happened to see the show, they could probably get something from it. I don't know how possible this was, i.e. what time and day the show aired, but I think its very much a possibility. For example, I learned how to correctly use one of those small meat cooker/grill things they have in many Japanese restaurant's from Shimizu's week and some of the things Airi talked about concerning golf were things I couldn't have answered were I sitting there in the class with them. They're not terribly important or useful things to know, honestly, but something I didn't know and wouldn't mind knowing, nonetheless.

I learned a lot about tuna from Eri.

See?? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

Personally, I enjoy it when idols actually ... make me laugh.

This is exactly what this show did constantly on some episodes/weeks, and is the real reason for liking it. It also showed a funny side of certain groups interacting with each other in ways you don't usually see. You'd see a more mean and sarcastic side of some of them that you usually don't see in the group dynamic. I don't know if it was just the school themed setting or something, but some of the girls got really testy when they had to sit in the seats. Maybe just from not being the center of attention because of not being the teacher? It was also funny sometimes to hear the wrong responses or purposely bad puns given when a question about the subject was asked, very akin to something like Mechaike, which everyone seems to love.

The only person who referenced the Hitler episode as reason for disliking Yorosen was Ap2000.

In the case of this thread, maybe, but there was a shitstorm about it right before the board went down in December in the thread that was specifically made to bitch about the minute-long Hitler segment.

I'm fairly certain the kids were not conducting a critical historical lesson on fascism, racism, and genocide there.

Statements like these are exactly what I was getting at. I'm not saying the guy should be honored or anything, but he's a very important person in history (that was actually the name of her lesson, in fact, it was important people in history, not great people or wonderful humanitarians,) and fascism, racism, and genocide are not the only things he did in his life. He inspired a country the size of Pennsylvania to become one of the strongest and most tactically advanced military forces on the planet and his regime served to show the world what terrible things people were capable of if they possessed enough charisma. These things all showed aspects of human society that we had never seen before and never want to see again, which, once again, serves to help keep us from repeating them.

You have just as much a right to defend Yorosen as I do for seriously hating it. So there.

I almost agree, except that you've seen so little of the show and are judging it by about 1/10th of the content the show had to offer, and you're acting like one week of the show is representative of the entire rest of the run it had, when each week was actually pretty different from the next.

Oh, and I have to disclaimer that I watched maybe two episodes of it so I don't know the show very well. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':suika:' />

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':note:' />

[eri]

I'm fairly certain the kids were not conducting a critical historical lesson on fascism, racism, and genocide there.

Statements like these are exactly what I was getting at. I'm not saying the guy should be honored or anything, but he's a very important person in history...He inspired a country the size of Pennsylvania to become one of the strongest and most tactically advanced military forces on the planet and his regime served to show the world what terrible things people were capable of if they possessed enough charisma. These things all showed aspects of human society that we had never seen before and never want to see again, which, once again, serves to help keep us from repeating them.

Of course - but this is a universe away from "Hitler-ojisan." It is not the fact that they just talked about Hitler. It is because they giggled about him and called him cute Uncle Hitler! None of your above observations were an element in that episode.



I saw enough of the show not to enjoy it - although, and I say this over and over - it was much better than H!M@ and Berrykyuu. And considering that every single episode was formatted the same, I do not think I saw "very little" of the show but got the the essence of it with half a dozen lame episodes.

[AEUGNewtype]

Of course - but this is a universe away from "Hitler-ojisan." It is not the fact that they just talked about Hitler. It is because they giggled about him and called him cute Uncle Hitler! None of your above observations were an element in that episode.

This is where things are getting blown out of proportion. The only time "Hitler-ojisan" was said was when his name was said in the middle of a long sentence, and in that capacity, it seems to be more than anything, just a mindset that younger Japanese kids will have when speaking about someone older than them. It wasn't like "I love my cute uncle Hitler!" it was just basically saying his name when rattling off some facts about him. Every time he was referred to otherwise, it was just Hitler-san, which is, you know, correct within Japanese language. The tone when talking about him really doesn't play him up to be this "cute uncle Hitler" everyone keeps hinting at. More than anything, they were just laughing and making fun at Saki's drawing of him. The only things they mentioned about him were that his speeches were very captivating to their audiences and that he inspired a nation, but also had a complex about being too short. They even go as far as to mention he had many dark secrets but don't bother going into what those were, because it really doesn't need to be spoken about. She didn't wear an SS uniform to the class and start giving Nazi salutes all over the place, the whole thing was very passive in nature. This seems like a heard-it-through-the-grapevine type thing where information gets twisted all over the place when its read by someone else posting it. I wish you would've closely watched the episode before trying to argue about this.

And considering that every single episode was formatted the same, I do not think I saw "very little" of the show but got the the essence of it with half a dozen lame episodes.

Maybe formatted the same, but very different in content. Same way as old H!M, really.

[eri]

[quote name='sadude' post='58926' date='Feb 4 2009, 03:52 AM']Eh, it's a different style of entertainment that you each enjoy. H!M vs. Yorosen is basically "look at how cute I am, watch me run around like an idiot in more physical and entertainment-based interactions (songs, skits, games, etc.)" vs, "look at how cute I am, watch me sit and talk around like an idiot in "intellectual"-based interactions (learning and discussion)". Am I missing something?[/quote]



Dude, H!M had some comedy gold. When Makoto taped up her face to look like an old fisherman or Kaori's impression of Kudo Shizuka?? Or all the cheap shots taken at Yuko for being 30 and unmarried? H!M started sliding down once every single damn episode was kindergarden-game-drink-yucky-juice-aren't-we-cute or let's gather around a magician and make cooing noises.



I'd like AEUG to post some gems from Yorusen because apparently he is getting something out of it that I've "missed" by not being faithful.

[eri]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58945' date='Feb 4 2009, 08:16 AM'][quote name='eri' post='58940' date='Feb 4 2009, 10:57 AM']Of course - but this is a universe away from "Hitler-ojisan." It is not the fact that they just talked about Hitler. It is because they giggled about him and called him cute Uncle Hitler! None of your above observations were an element in that episode.[/quote]

This is where things are getting blown out of proportion. The only time "Hitler-ojisan" was said was when his name was said in the middle of a long sentence, and in that capacity, it seems to be more than anything, just a mindset that younger Japanese kids will have when speaking about someone older than them. It wasn't like "I love my cute uncle Hitler!" it was just basically saying his name when rattling off some facts about him. Every time he was referred to otherwise, it was just Hitler-san, which is, you know, correct within Japanese language. The tone when talking about him really doesn't play him up to be this "cute uncle Hitler" everyone keeps hinting at. More than anything, they were just laughing and making fun at Saki's drawing of him.



The only things they mentioned about him were that his speeches were very captivating to their audiences and that he inspired a nation, but also had a complex about being too short. They even go as far as to mention he had many dark secrets but don't bother going into what those were, because it really doesn't need to be spoken about. She didn't wear an SS uniform to the class and start giving Nazi salutes all over the place, the whole thing was very passive in nature. This seems like a heard-it-through-the-grapevine type thing where information gets twisted all over the place when its read by someone else posting it. I wish you would've closely watched the episode before trying to argue about this.

[/quote]



No, that is just not true. Just as you're complaining that others are blowing it out of proportion, you're trying to minimize her mistake as something completely innocuous or even something CORRECT. This is inane. Seriously, stop being illogical just because you want to defend this tv show.



She called him Hitler-ojisan -- even rattled off in a long sentence, this carries all the valence of someone being "just" a kindly older person. Saying it once is saying it enough. Moreover, they drew cartoons of him. It is precisely because the entire TONE of the episode was meant to be cute, light, not serious and they were so completely passive about it that it reeks of historical ignorance. This ultimately minimizes the absolute horror of Nazism, which you insist is not a big deal apparently because "it really doesn't need to be spoken about."



No one is calling Saki out for being a Neo-Nazi. Nor is it the responsibility of an idol group to teach about war. However, it is controversial because it reflects a larger historical problem in Japan over how to teach WWII. From postwar censorship to current battles over school text books, there is an enormous debate within Japan about how to teach their role during WWII. So when your everyday idol presents a man primarily known for instrumentalizing genocide as an "ojisan" cartoon with "dark secrets we don't go into," it is seen as representative of this problematic absence of knowledge. People were angry that TV Tokyo aired such a representation of Hitler when children might watch this show. Hence people in Japan -not just American fans looking to trash your tv show- were angry. It seems you're just jumping to defend Saki and the show without even considering any of this.



I watched the episode. It made me roll my eyes and wish I was not a fan of such seemingly stupid girls. This did not make me dislike Yorusen nor did it make me dislike Saki. I dislike Yorusen because it was repetitive and boring.

[Pucchi-Mo]

In a weird way, all of this fussing is making me actually want to watch Yorosen. (at least to find out the big deal)



Also, I love seeing Eri out-AEUG AEUG. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ohyeah.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':suika:' />

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='eri' post='58949' date='Feb 4 2009, 11:46 AM']A bunch of shit[/quote]

Since you seem to be the all-knowing authority on everything about Japan, their teaching methods and their language, I'm not going to argue about any of it because I don't know or care enough to do so. This has strayed way too far into an aspect of this that I don't care to research, think about, or argue about. You obviously have major predispositions and problems with things that I care nothing about. I enjoy the show and don't give a shit about some petty World War II reference, even as inaccurate or offensive as everyone claims it is, and that's really all there is left for me to say in this thread. I'm sad its going off the air.

[eri]

whimper whine whine

Oh goodness. You're the one who tried to defend your simple interest in Yorusen by pulling out Hitler. And then when you realized you had nothing to say, you ran away crying. But I guess it is just my fault for being way into the, you know, specialized intellectual niche of finding Nazism and genocide bad things. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hatthe.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':note:' />



Good for you that you enjoyed the show. I didn't. So what? You are the one who tried to turn this into some grand debate. Which you just lost.

In a weird way, all of this fussing is making me actually want to watch Yorosen. (at least to find out the big deal)

Me too. Aeug should locate some good clips so his misery can have some company.

Also, I love seeing Eri out-AEUG AEUG. ohyeah.gif

Hmm. But I'm not Aeug'ing. Notice how my arguments have logic? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... nceman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':suika:' /> Actually, I'm glad Aeug can stick by his pov (even when it gets twisted into something stupid). This is a worlds away from "debating" with the lump of crying tofu named Ce...

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I only asked questions thinking that you may have been able to provide some kind of interesting insight as to why you didn't like the show, instead of just saying "I didn't like the 4 shows that I saw," not to start arguing. I guess I was wrong though. You jumped to a pretty big conclusion that you have "out-smarted" me or something, when I simply absolutely don't care to discuss where you're taking this and you clearly misunderstood my last post, anyway. Way to be an arrogant bigot for no reason, though. I already wish you hadn't started posting again.

[Hana]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='58939' date='Feb 4 2009, 07:49 AM']I don't know how possible this was, i.e. what time and day the show aired[/quote]

Around 1AM, but closer to 2AM on Friday (technically Saturday).