Let's talk about human aesthetics. What type of woman and/or man do you find consistently attractive -- strictly in terms of face and physique? Can you put your finger on what it is that you find compelling about them? Post pictures if it floats your boat.
I get a variety of answers when I ask people these questions. Some folks rattle off a roll call of FHM's 100 Sexiest Women (or, in our case, CDTV's Top 20 Women I Want To Date), and others list prêt-à-porter mannequins or name actors who remind them of their favorite fictional characters (Colin Firth, anyone?). How about you?
Human aesthetics.
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Human aesthetics.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
Here's what prompted this topic.
The other day, someone challenged me to deny that Liz Hurley and Adriana Lima aren't darned near the human physical ideal. I replied that I can't fault these fine ladies. They fit a very specific aesthetic profile that many people want for themselves. However, beyond being extremely beautiful women, I find nothing extraordinary about their faces and their bodies. I wouldn't stop turning the pages of a fashion magazine to gaze at a picture of either one of them. My concept of "ideal" female beauty, I argued, doesn't emphasize the exchangeability of the female body. Truly, I grow sick of looking at soccer moms with pearly whites faster than I do looking at freaks of nature and other flawed beauties.
And, beyond bone structure and body mass index, I consider the manner in which a woman carries herself to be one of the most important aspects of aesthetic. Seriously. Imagine a picture of a woman in an almost goose-necked stance, head forward and shoulders severely rounded; and compare it to a second picture of the same woman, only now she's standing with her chin pulled in, her neck lengthened and her gaze pointed straight ahead. Similarly, the staging or farce surrounding glamour and celebrity pictures isn't nearly as appealing to me as a picture in which the body language is expressed in a more subtle and honest manner.
One thing that I like are bodies engineered to be precision movement machines. For example, I'm drawn to the opening sequence of Leni Riefenstahl's documentary of the 1936 Nazi Olympic games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lcs0QL9iOg
Here's a woman whom I find attractive. As for guys, it's all about Criss Angel, man. I am slain by his emoness.
The other day, someone challenged me to deny that Liz Hurley and Adriana Lima aren't darned near the human physical ideal. I replied that I can't fault these fine ladies. They fit a very specific aesthetic profile that many people want for themselves. However, beyond being extremely beautiful women, I find nothing extraordinary about their faces and their bodies. I wouldn't stop turning the pages of a fashion magazine to gaze at a picture of either one of them. My concept of "ideal" female beauty, I argued, doesn't emphasize the exchangeability of the female body. Truly, I grow sick of looking at soccer moms with pearly whites faster than I do looking at freaks of nature and other flawed beauties.
And, beyond bone structure and body mass index, I consider the manner in which a woman carries herself to be one of the most important aspects of aesthetic. Seriously. Imagine a picture of a woman in an almost goose-necked stance, head forward and shoulders severely rounded; and compare it to a second picture of the same woman, only now she's standing with her chin pulled in, her neck lengthened and her gaze pointed straight ahead. Similarly, the staging or farce surrounding glamour and celebrity pictures isn't nearly as appealing to me as a picture in which the body language is expressed in a more subtle and honest manner.
One thing that I like are bodies engineered to be precision movement machines. For example, I'm drawn to the opening sequence of Leni Riefenstahl's documentary of the 1936 Nazi Olympic games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lcs0QL9iOg
Here's a woman whom I find attractive. As for guys, it's all about Criss Angel, man. I am slain by his emoness.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
It appears you have posted the same person twice. 
I will come up with a better, non-snarky response later. It just had to be said.
I will come up with a better, non-snarky response later. It just had to be said.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
I hate small nails, they are absolutely disgusting to me, I like them sexy and a little bit longer.
e.g.:
In general I prefer dark-haired woman, but I guess that's only because my first love was blonde and my subconsciousness tries to compensate that I got rejected... or something.
If you want names, imho Jennifer Love Hewitt pretty much is one of the most beautiful celebrities.
e.g.:
In general I prefer dark-haired woman, but I guess that's only because my first love was blonde and my subconsciousness tries to compensate that I got rejected... or something.
If you want names, imho Jennifer Love Hewitt pretty much is one of the most beautiful celebrities.
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A guy with green eyes gets points in my book. And, ugh, I'm also a sucker for blonde guys. Also guys who can pull off wearing bangs. I don't know why, but I love guys who have bangs LOL. Guys who look a bit "pretty" and cute also are attractive to me. But not to the point where I can't tell if they're a girl or guy. As for body type... well... no whales or body-builders please. Somewhere in between is nice. Beer bellies are a huge turn-off, though.
Re: Human aesthetics.
@Pflaume: Pshaw. 
I also like this photograph by Peter Lindberg (linked for tasteful nudity).
It brings to mind this passage from The Compact Culture: The Japanese Tradition of “Smaller Is Better” by O-Young Lee:
When the critic Yoshimura Teiji came to Korea, he visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. His remarks reveal a great deal about the different views of nature held by Japanese and Koreans:
I visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. It was located on a low hill thickly covered with a variety of trees just sending out new green leaves. As I walked around this famous area, I soon forgot I was walking in a garden. The hill had been left untouched, and it was too much a natural forest. It seemed to me like the setting of a garden before the garden has been put in. Beautiful though the hillside scenery may have been, it was not a garden.
I also like this photograph by Peter Lindberg (linked for tasteful nudity).
It brings to mind this passage from The Compact Culture: The Japanese Tradition of “Smaller Is Better” by O-Young Lee:
When the critic Yoshimura Teiji came to Korea, he visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. His remarks reveal a great deal about the different views of nature held by Japanese and Koreans:
I visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. It was located on a low hill thickly covered with a variety of trees just sending out new green leaves. As I walked around this famous area, I soon forgot I was walking in a garden. The hill had been left untouched, and it was too much a natural forest. It seemed to me like the setting of a garden before the garden has been put in. Beautiful though the hillside scenery may have been, it was not a garden.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Lovely' post='61193' date='Mar 1 2009, 10:43 PM']@Pflaume: Pshaw.
I also like this photograph by Peter Lindberg (linked for tasteful nudity).
It brings to mind this passage from The Compact Culture: The Japanese Tradition of “Smaller Is Better” by O-Young Lee:
When the critic Yoshimura Teiji came to Korea, he visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. His remarks reveal a great deal about the different views of nature held by Japanese and Koreans:
I visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. It was located on a low hill thickly covered with a variety of trees just sending out new green leaves. As I walked around this famous area, I soon forgot I was walking in a garden. The hill had been left untouched, and it was too much a natural forest. It seemed to me like the setting of a garden before the garden has been put in. Beautiful though the hillside scenery may have been, it was not a garden.[/quote]
Reminds me of a paragraph written in the lecture script for japanese geography.
"JapanerInnen wird immer wieder eine besondere Liebe zur Natur nachgesagt. Aber eigentlich – sehr
verallgemeinernd ausgedrückt – hat die Natur JapanerInnen im natürlichen Rohzustand nicht unbedingt
zu sagen. Sie ist oft erst dann interessant, wenn sie geformt ist und nicht nur das ist, was im Allgemeine
unter Natur verstanden wird ("wilde Natur"), sondern sie soll auch etwas bedeuten bzw. einen Sinn habe
Ein Beispiel dafür ist der Bonsai (盆栽), also ein Baum oder eine andere Pflanze, die so lange beschnitt
und bearbeitet wird bis sie klein bleibt, oder Ahornbäume, die sich im Herbst wunderschön rot verfärben
sind dann besonders schön, wenn sie als einzelner Zweig, kunstvoll geformt, als Ikebana (生け花) in ein
Vase in der Bildnische (tokonoma [床の間]) stehen. Oder die Schönheit einer Landschaft ist besonders
schön, wenn sie mit zwei bis drei Pinselstrichen, also abstrahiert auf ein Rollbild gemalt ist, usw."
English translation:
"It's often said that japanese people love nature. However - generally - nature is not really interesting for them in it's rawness.
Most of the item it's starting to get interesting when nature has been formed and isn't just "wild" nature. She should have a meaning.
A good example are Bonsai, a tree or some different plant, that gets cut and worked on until it stays small or maple trees who's leaves are beautiful red in fall and turn really beautiful when they are skillfully arranged in an Ikebana.
Or the elegancy of a landscape is especially pretty, when it's painted with two or three strokes, thus abstract."
I also like this photograph by Peter Lindberg (linked for tasteful nudity).
It brings to mind this passage from The Compact Culture: The Japanese Tradition of “Smaller Is Better” by O-Young Lee:
When the critic Yoshimura Teiji came to Korea, he visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. His remarks reveal a great deal about the different views of nature held by Japanese and Koreans:
I visited the Secret Garden in Seoul. It was located on a low hill thickly covered with a variety of trees just sending out new green leaves. As I walked around this famous area, I soon forgot I was walking in a garden. The hill had been left untouched, and it was too much a natural forest. It seemed to me like the setting of a garden before the garden has been put in. Beautiful though the hillside scenery may have been, it was not a garden.[/quote]
Reminds me of a paragraph written in the lecture script for japanese geography.
"JapanerInnen wird immer wieder eine besondere Liebe zur Natur nachgesagt. Aber eigentlich – sehr
verallgemeinernd ausgedrückt – hat die Natur JapanerInnen im natürlichen Rohzustand nicht unbedingt
zu sagen. Sie ist oft erst dann interessant, wenn sie geformt ist und nicht nur das ist, was im Allgemeine
unter Natur verstanden wird ("wilde Natur"), sondern sie soll auch etwas bedeuten bzw. einen Sinn habe
Ein Beispiel dafür ist der Bonsai (盆栽), also ein Baum oder eine andere Pflanze, die so lange beschnitt
und bearbeitet wird bis sie klein bleibt, oder Ahornbäume, die sich im Herbst wunderschön rot verfärben
sind dann besonders schön, wenn sie als einzelner Zweig, kunstvoll geformt, als Ikebana (生け花) in ein
Vase in der Bildnische (tokonoma [床の間]) stehen. Oder die Schönheit einer Landschaft ist besonders
schön, wenn sie mit zwei bis drei Pinselstrichen, also abstrahiert auf ein Rollbild gemalt ist, usw."
English translation:
"It's often said that japanese people love nature. However - generally - nature is not really interesting for them in it's rawness.
Most of the item it's starting to get interesting when nature has been formed and isn't just "wild" nature. She should have a meaning.
A good example are Bonsai, a tree or some different plant, that gets cut and worked on until it stays small or maple trees who's leaves are beautiful red in fall and turn really beautiful when they are skillfully arranged in an Ikebana.
Or the elegancy of a landscape is especially pretty, when it's painted with two or three strokes, thus abstract."
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Ap2000' post='61197' date='Mar 2 2009, 09:26 AM']However - generally - nature is not really interesting for them in it's rawness.
Most of the item it's starting to get interesting when nature has been formed and isn't just "wild" nature. She should have a meaning.[/quote]
Exactly. That's a perfect analogy. My preferred aesthetic is raw and natural-feeling. Something gritty.
Most of the item it's starting to get interesting when nature has been formed and isn't just "wild" nature. She should have a meaning.[/quote]
Exactly. That's a perfect analogy. My preferred aesthetic is raw and natural-feeling. Something gritty.
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Real post time!
Physical attractiveness has always been a weird topic for me because my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality. Someone I initially find nothing attractive about could suddenly be gorgeous once I get to know them or develop feelings for them. I don't mean in an abstract way, either, I mean suddenly their eyes are breathtaking or certain points of their face are very charming, their gait appeals to me, etc.
The same thing applies in reverse. I can find you generally gorgeous beforehand, but if you turn out to be a dick you'll be a complete dog. I'll see your droopy eyes, overly pointy chin or whatever else. It's so extreme and complete with me that I rarely bother to form any attraction based on looks at all. I can't do the "hot but stupid" or "hot but a jerk" thing. I typically wait to get to know people. It's not actually any less shallow than judging based on looks, though, because it relies really heavily on first impressions and I can decide completely the wrong thing about a person based on very little. Then you're ugly AND a jerk in my mind.
Most every crush I've ever had was on a man that I acknowledge was actually not really conventionally good-looking, but that I came to really like the look of when it worked with his personality. To me, they were gorgeous. I actually am oddly suspicious of pretty-boy types, as I sometimes assume they are assholes right off the bat in the worst case, or am simply bored looking at them in the best case.
Honestly, if I had to pick one consistent thing I tend to be drawn to with men, it would probably be tall and thin. That hasn't always been the case with people I've liked, but it is an initial draw. Lanky boys (especially nerdy ones, which is basically a requirement for me) tend to be a little awkward in a cute way when they're trying, but still somehow have swagger when they're acting naturally and not paying attention. Not to mention long arms make for awesome hugs. I am relatively short and like feeling small, so that's the major reason for that, to be honest.
Physical attractiveness has always been a weird topic for me because my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality. Someone I initially find nothing attractive about could suddenly be gorgeous once I get to know them or develop feelings for them. I don't mean in an abstract way, either, I mean suddenly their eyes are breathtaking or certain points of their face are very charming, their gait appeals to me, etc.
The same thing applies in reverse. I can find you generally gorgeous beforehand, but if you turn out to be a dick you'll be a complete dog. I'll see your droopy eyes, overly pointy chin or whatever else. It's so extreme and complete with me that I rarely bother to form any attraction based on looks at all. I can't do the "hot but stupid" or "hot but a jerk" thing. I typically wait to get to know people. It's not actually any less shallow than judging based on looks, though, because it relies really heavily on first impressions and I can decide completely the wrong thing about a person based on very little. Then you're ugly AND a jerk in my mind.
Most every crush I've ever had was on a man that I acknowledge was actually not really conventionally good-looking, but that I came to really like the look of when it worked with his personality. To me, they were gorgeous. I actually am oddly suspicious of pretty-boy types, as I sometimes assume they are assholes right off the bat in the worst case, or am simply bored looking at them in the best case.
Honestly, if I had to pick one consistent thing I tend to be drawn to with men, it would probably be tall and thin. That hasn't always been the case with people I've liked, but it is an initial draw. Lanky boys (especially nerdy ones, which is basically a requirement for me) tend to be a little awkward in a cute way when they're trying, but still somehow have swagger when they're acting naturally and not paying attention. Not to mention long arms make for awesome hugs. I am relatively short and like feeling small, so that's the major reason for that, to be honest.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
I don't really like the pretty-boy type for relationships. I want someone big and friendly, but not too big. I'm okay with someone with a little bit of extra weight, but not too much. Not into muscle-heads either. Like Pi said, "As for body type... well... no whales or body-builders please." I like emo boys, but they're usually small and also emo. I don't look too much into bone structure, I guess. I don't mind too much if their face has blemishes, but pizza-faces check yaselves at the door. I suppose I'm pretty shallow maybe?
Here's a good lookin' guy:
Here's a good lookin' guy:
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Re: Human aesthetics.
In Women, usually my first preference includes an air of maturity. In looks and personality, a bit older than me I usually go for. Women I have dated in the past have mostly been in their 30's. I am also a sucker for a brunette, long brown hair is just gorgeous, and something I would try and pull off myself if I didnt have my incessant desire to dye my hair a lot. Eye colour, I don't really have a preference, likewise with height, as long as she's not too much shorter, the same or taller than me, (5'4") I don't really mind.
I can see how I don't really have any kind of preference, i dont really have a type either, so long as she's not butch it's all good by me.
Men...Intellect is an incredible turn on. As long as they aren't too fat I don't really mind their body type. But I do LOVE muscly arms. xD Big strong arms = win! That's not saying I wouldnt go out with a guy if he didn't have muscly arms though. I DO NOT LIKE EMOS. No skinny lady-looking-boys. If they are so much skinnier then me that I look like the fat one, I do not want that!
neshcom that IS a good looking guy.
God I am terrible at this. I suppose it's just a subject i'm not used to talking about. I don't go round looking for a certain 'type' - I just like who I like.
I can see how I don't really have any kind of preference, i dont really have a type either, so long as she's not butch it's all good by me.
Men...Intellect is an incredible turn on. As long as they aren't too fat I don't really mind their body type. But I do LOVE muscly arms. xD Big strong arms = win! That's not saying I wouldnt go out with a guy if he didn't have muscly arms though. I DO NOT LIKE EMOS. No skinny lady-looking-boys. If they are so much skinnier then me that I look like the fat one, I do not want that!
neshcom that IS a good looking guy.
God I am terrible at this. I suppose it's just a subject i'm not used to talking about. I don't go round looking for a certain 'type' - I just like who I like.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Pflaume' post='61205' date='Mar 1 2009, 08:26 PM']my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality.[/quote]
Oh good, I don't have to type it myself. These are my thoughts. There are instant attractions of course (like with people walking down the street or something) but if I ever met the people, they'd instantly become ugly if I don't like them. But on that topic, it's usually certain clothing or hairstyles that cause the attraction.
Oh good, I don't have to type it myself. These are my thoughts. There are instant attractions of course (like with people walking down the street or something) but if I ever met the people, they'd instantly become ugly if I don't like them. But on that topic, it's usually certain clothing or hairstyles that cause the attraction.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
Hair! In my opinion, it makes or breaks a lot of guys' attractive factor, thus why I spend so much time anguishing over idol's bad haircuts.
This is probably also because a good haircut can hide an unattractive face - a friend of mine, who I... had... stuff with, had the usual Asian mullet-ish kind of hair - not fabulous, but not bad, either. Then, he got a buzz cut. While I had skillfully ignored it earlier, with no hair to hide his unattractive facial features, I realized that he really, really looks like a koala. And koalas? Aren't... actually cute.
I've also associated buzz cuts with the skinhead jocks of my past that I really despise, so... I don't know. Good hair is a definite plus on guys for me - and I'm sure the same prrrrobably goes for guys looking at girls, right?
edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.
This is probably also because a good haircut can hide an unattractive face - a friend of mine, who I... had... stuff with, had the usual Asian mullet-ish kind of hair - not fabulous, but not bad, either. Then, he got a buzz cut. While I had skillfully ignored it earlier, with no hair to hide his unattractive facial features, I realized that he really, really looks like a koala. And koalas? Aren't... actually cute.
I've also associated buzz cuts with the skinhead jocks of my past that I really despise, so... I don't know. Good hair is a definite plus on guys for me - and I'm sure the same prrrrobably goes for guys looking at girls, right?
edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.
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[quote name='EmEl' post='61227' date='Mar 1 2009, 06:40 PM'][quote name='Pflaume' post='61205' date='Mar 1 2009, 08:26 PM']my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality.[/quote]
Oh good, I don't have to type it myself. These are my thoughts.
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Same here. I never got it when every girl in my class would be drooling over this (not bad looking) guy who, honestly, was a total asshole. My brain doesn't necessarily make the person seem any uglier or better looking than they are, per se, but all (physical) attraction I may have felt after getting to know them can be lost if that person turns out to be a jerk. I can still say "Yeah, they aren't bad looking", but any desire I may have had to date or anything else is completely gone. Basically, if they're attractive on top of having a great personality, that's merely icing on the cake (and I've never been a huge fan of (literal) cake icing).
Oh good, I don't have to type it myself. These are my thoughts.
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Same here. I never got it when every girl in my class would be drooling over this (not bad looking) guy who, honestly, was a total asshole. My brain doesn't necessarily make the person seem any uglier or better looking than they are, per se, but all (physical) attraction I may have felt after getting to know them can be lost if that person turns out to be a jerk. I can still say "Yeah, they aren't bad looking", but any desire I may have had to date or anything else is completely gone. Basically, if they're attractive on top of having a great personality, that's merely icing on the cake (and I've never been a huge fan of (literal) cake icing).
Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='vanillacat' post='61233' date='Mar 1 2009, 10:32 PM']Hair! In my opinion, it makes or breaks a lot of guys, thus why I spend so much time anguishing over idol's bad haircuts.[/quote]
thisthisthis
I can't stand it when a genuinely cute guy with mid-length hair gets a buzz cut. I can clearly recall at least three times this has happened.
thisthisthis
I can't stand it when a genuinely cute guy with mid-length hair gets a buzz cut. I can clearly recall at least three times this has happened.
Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='vanillacat' post='61233' date='Mar 1 2009, 10:32 PM']edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.[/quote]
I'm no girl! I too think like this. But, looking at it again, I suppose my post up there was very gender-neutral.
I'm no girl! I too think like this. But, looking at it again, I suppose my post up there was very gender-neutral.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='vanillacat' post='61233' date='Mar 2 2009, 05:32 AM']edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.[/quote]
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
What you said is true for most of the people I think, but I didn't write anything about it, because this thread isn't about such stuff imho.
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
What you said is true for most of the people I think, but I didn't write anything about it, because this thread isn't about such stuff imho.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
Visually - The same height as me or shorter (No Trees please!), a smile that puts a smile on my face, beautiful eyes that I can get lost in and chin to shoulder length layered hair usually does it. Yeah that is a pretty broad description, but all that goes out the window because even if I'm visually and physically attracted to a girl, when good looks are coupled with a crap personality its ALWAYS a deal breaker.
I wish there were more girls around like you gals here. It's strange and refreshing o.0
I wish there were more girls around like you gals here. It's strange and refreshing o.0
Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Pflaume' post='61205' date='Mar 1 2009, 08:26 PM']Physical attractiveness has always been a weird topic for me because my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality.[/quote]THIS
It doesn't help that I am absolutely pitiful when it comes to talking to people, especially those I'm attracted to. A lot of times people feel like I snub them because I tend to fail at talking to them after that point rather than before it...
It doesn't help that I am absolutely pitiful when it comes to talking to people, especially those I'm attracted to. A lot of times people feel like I snub them because I tend to fail at talking to them after that point rather than before it...
bash.org; yet more proof there are people more f***ed up than me.
Re: Human aesthetics.
Honestly, the first thing I notice is looks. And then they open their mouth and I either like what they say or they disgust me. I can't stand stupid guys. And while they don't have to be a genius, at least don't misrepresent the basics of a subject and then have the gall to imply that you're correct after evidence is given to the contrary. Nothing I hate more than someone who has a complete abrasion to learning/anti-intellectual. And I like to see a talent of the sorts, even if it's not great, there is always one thing that a person can do a little better than others. I don't like people who put others down to puff themselves up.
As for physical types, I'm weird. I don't like men to be scrawny or lanky. But clothed I might find them cute. For instance, the boys of Arashi are cute in their outfits but the moment they take off their shirts I'm gagging. I don't mind flab and on females the extra fat makes for great curves (note I mean the true definition of hourglass, not the rolls people call curves) The MM girls are cute in their outfits but in their bikinis they have nothing appealing to my eyes. The old pinup girls had the ideal body type for females(pre twiggy), in my eyes. As for men, I prefer them to have some tone to them, that sort of strength you don't notice until they hold you. Though honestly if I'm looking at pictures I'd rather look at females because girls can do much more with style than men can. As long as a guy's in a suit I'm drooling, hehe. I like the darker skin more than lighter skin tones. Light skin tones look frail to me. Hm, I think that's it.
As for physical types, I'm weird. I don't like men to be scrawny or lanky. But clothed I might find them cute. For instance, the boys of Arashi are cute in their outfits but the moment they take off their shirts I'm gagging. I don't mind flab and on females the extra fat makes for great curves (note I mean the true definition of hourglass, not the rolls people call curves) The MM girls are cute in their outfits but in their bikinis they have nothing appealing to my eyes. The old pinup girls had the ideal body type for females(pre twiggy), in my eyes. As for men, I prefer them to have some tone to them, that sort of strength you don't notice until they hold you. Though honestly if I'm looking at pictures I'd rather look at females because girls can do much more with style than men can. As long as a guy's in a suit I'm drooling, hehe. I like the darker skin more than lighter skin tones. Light skin tones look frail to me. Hm, I think that's it.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Ap2000' post='61252' date='Mar 2 2009, 07:44 PM'][quote name='vanillacat' post='61233' date='Mar 2 2009, 05:32 AM']edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.[/quote]
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
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Believe me, most girls don't think like the girls here. Who know personality is everything. Looks are nice and a bonus, but most girls unfortunately go for total assholes, and it isn't their fault! A lot of girls like that 'bad boy' kind of persona and they don't know why. My boy has been rejected heaps of times just because he is a computer programmer, how ridiculous, his job is awesome and my god is he freakin' sexy. But he has trouble with women because he is a nice, genuine guy, and lots of girls don't like that.
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
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Believe me, most girls don't think like the girls here. Who know personality is everything. Looks are nice and a bonus, but most girls unfortunately go for total assholes, and it isn't their fault! A lot of girls like that 'bad boy' kind of persona and they don't know why. My boy has been rejected heaps of times just because he is a computer programmer, how ridiculous, his job is awesome and my god is he freakin' sexy. But he has trouble with women because he is a nice, genuine guy, and lots of girls don't like that.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='freezingkiss' post='61941' date='Mar 10 2009, 05:02 AM'][quote name='Ap2000' post='61252' date='Mar 2 2009, 07:44 PM'][quote name='vanillacat' post='61233' date='Mar 2 2009, 05:32 AM']edit: Although, I have to agree with all the other girls - personality is definitely the most important for me, and it warps my senses into thinking a guy's attractive, even if he really isn't. I... wish more guys thought like us, sigh.[/quote]
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
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Believe me, most girls don't think like the girls here. Who know personality is everything. Looks are nice and a bonus, but most girls unfortunately go for total assholes, and it isn't their fault! A lot of girls like that 'bad boy' kind of persona and they don't know why. My boy has been rejected heaps of times just because he is a computer programmer, how ridiculous, his job is awesome and my god is he freakin' sexy. But he has trouble with women because he is a nice, genuine guy, and lots of girls don't like that.
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The "bad boy" thing is something I like to chalk up to some girls just being stupid and/or delusional in the sense that they think that they can change a guy or that the "bad boy" thing is just a shell and the guy is really hiding some sensitive soul underneath. This crap is thanks to books, movies, and television.
It does baffle me that many women/girls are attracted to assholes, but I wonder if it is so psychological that they can't help it and won't break that cycle until they realize it themselves.
Also, I have seen plenty of guy go for pretty girls who are total bitches and deal with it because they would rather be seen with an attractive female than with one their buddies don't find so physically appealing.
I used to not care about intelligence and personality so much when I was younger, but as I got older I realized that nerdiness can be quite sexy. It was more satisfying to talk to a guy and NOT dumb myself down to impress him and I would never respect a guy who had to dumb himself down to talk to me either. Besides, looks can fade and the "look" of today could be passe tomorrow.
I also realized that I prefer guys to be a little chunky and on the strong-but-not-muscular side (Rob's bear hugs are just plain awesome).
I don't like long hair on guys, but facial hair is optional as long as it is not too groomed or, on the flip side, too scruffy/unkempt.
I'd hope more girls would think like you girls too, but hey, you can't have everything !
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Believe me, most girls don't think like the girls here. Who know personality is everything. Looks are nice and a bonus, but most girls unfortunately go for total assholes, and it isn't their fault! A lot of girls like that 'bad boy' kind of persona and they don't know why. My boy has been rejected heaps of times just because he is a computer programmer, how ridiculous, his job is awesome and my god is he freakin' sexy. But he has trouble with women because he is a nice, genuine guy, and lots of girls don't like that.
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The "bad boy" thing is something I like to chalk up to some girls just being stupid and/or delusional in the sense that they think that they can change a guy or that the "bad boy" thing is just a shell and the guy is really hiding some sensitive soul underneath. This crap is thanks to books, movies, and television.
It does baffle me that many women/girls are attracted to assholes, but I wonder if it is so psychological that they can't help it and won't break that cycle until they realize it themselves.
Also, I have seen plenty of guy go for pretty girls who are total bitches and deal with it because they would rather be seen with an attractive female than with one their buddies don't find so physically appealing.
I used to not care about intelligence and personality so much when I was younger, but as I got older I realized that nerdiness can be quite sexy. It was more satisfying to talk to a guy and NOT dumb myself down to impress him and I would never respect a guy who had to dumb himself down to talk to me either. Besides, looks can fade and the "look" of today could be passe tomorrow.
I also realized that I prefer guys to be a little chunky and on the strong-but-not-muscular side (Rob's bear hugs are just plain awesome).
I don't like long hair on guys, but facial hair is optional as long as it is not too groomed or, on the flip side, too scruffy/unkempt.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Gypchan' post='61944' date='Mar 10 2009, 07:29 AM']The "bad boy" thing is something I like to chalk up to some girls just being stupid and/or delusional in the sense that they think that they can change a guy or that the "bad boy" thing is just a shell and the guy is really hiding some sensitive soul underneath. This crap is thanks to books, movies, and television.
It does baffle me that many women/girls are attracted to assholes, but I wonder if it is so psychological that they can't help it and won't break that cycle until they realize it themselves.[/quote]
You hit the nail on the head. I've always found the "bad boy" types annoying and stupid, but I have had several friends who dated them, and lost a friendship because of it. Though I also think the "bad boy" relationships end up borderline abusive, and women who have had one abusive relationship tend to follow with more after.
But since I love shitting on the series, I'm going to have to bring exhibit A, "Twilight" to the floor. The male lead is an asshole, to put it bluntly. The female lead does not have a true mind of her own, she's pretty much devoted to him from day one. Judging from the fanbase this sort of fairytale fantasy with the guy forever being out of reach, rude, and downright abusive at times is exactly what they want. They relish in the drama of it all, the attention, the excitement.
And then I bring my joke story that somehow became popular on the internet writing circles to the floor. The more abusive I made the male lead, the more girls loved him. Sure, I made sure to amend the classic "Oh baby I didn't mean it" afterwards, but if I'm writing that he hit her so hard to cause a bruise or pushed her into cut glass, then he doesn't truly love her. It disturbed me how easily girls are lead into thinking someone like that could love them.
And lastly I'll bring that lost friendship to the floor. Her bad boy was a "rock star". His music sucked, but she still got the bragging rights of a rock star boyfriend. He was an ex coke addict, but he's such a great rock star so he started again a few months after they started dating. So she did the heavy drug thing. She loses her job and goes into stripping. What is disturbing is that all the while I could never convince her that it was wrong. What she was doing was "cool". With each fight they had, it just made them "closer" and "deeper". She stopped talking to me soonafter I gave her a lecture because I'd had enough. I found out she moved recently after he dumped her. I feel sad because she must've had it hard, but I know that her next relationship will be the same because every guy she's dated has been like that.
So you shouldn't wonder if it's psychological Gyp, it's downright true. And it's maddening that so many girls think like that.
It does baffle me that many women/girls are attracted to assholes, but I wonder if it is so psychological that they can't help it and won't break that cycle until they realize it themselves.[/quote]
You hit the nail on the head. I've always found the "bad boy" types annoying and stupid, but I have had several friends who dated them, and lost a friendship because of it. Though I also think the "bad boy" relationships end up borderline abusive, and women who have had one abusive relationship tend to follow with more after.
But since I love shitting on the series, I'm going to have to bring exhibit A, "Twilight" to the floor. The male lead is an asshole, to put it bluntly. The female lead does not have a true mind of her own, she's pretty much devoted to him from day one. Judging from the fanbase this sort of fairytale fantasy with the guy forever being out of reach, rude, and downright abusive at times is exactly what they want. They relish in the drama of it all, the attention, the excitement.
And then I bring my joke story that somehow became popular on the internet writing circles to the floor. The more abusive I made the male lead, the more girls loved him. Sure, I made sure to amend the classic "Oh baby I didn't mean it" afterwards, but if I'm writing that he hit her so hard to cause a bruise or pushed her into cut glass, then he doesn't truly love her. It disturbed me how easily girls are lead into thinking someone like that could love them.
And lastly I'll bring that lost friendship to the floor. Her bad boy was a "rock star". His music sucked, but she still got the bragging rights of a rock star boyfriend. He was an ex coke addict, but he's such a great rock star so he started again a few months after they started dating. So she did the heavy drug thing. She loses her job and goes into stripping. What is disturbing is that all the while I could never convince her that it was wrong. What she was doing was "cool". With each fight they had, it just made them "closer" and "deeper". She stopped talking to me soonafter I gave her a lecture because I'd had enough. I found out she moved recently after he dumped her. I feel sad because she must've had it hard, but I know that her next relationship will be the same because every guy she's dated has been like that.
So you shouldn't wonder if it's psychological Gyp, it's downright true. And it's maddening that so many girls think like that.
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Petit Melon' post='61964' date='Mar 10 2009, 02:41 PM']But since I love shitting on the series, I'm going to have to bring exhibit A, "Twilight" to the floor. The male lead is an asshole, to put it bluntly. The female lead does not have a true mind of her own, she's pretty much devoted to him from day one. Judging from the fanbase this sort of fairytale fantasy with the guy forever being out of reach, rude, and downright abusive at times is exactly what they want. They relish in the drama of it all, the attention, the excitement.[/quote]
Uh? As much as I dislike this series, when is the male lead EVER abusive or an asshole (aside from some initial awkwardness and being standoffish)? I don't seem to recall that in any of the books. Huh.
I totally agree with the other people who, mentally, let someone's personality help "shape" their appearance. I've found I'm not usually attracted to super good-looking people, but I'm in love with an amazing personality, good intellect and a great sense of humor. These are the things that make a person very, very attractive to me, as opposed to a perfect physique or the face of a Greek god. *shrug*
I also find overly muscular people to be a bit repulsive, though. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' /> And I can't say I care for skinny boys. If I can snap you in half over my knee, I probably don't want to date you.
Uh? As much as I dislike this series, when is the male lead EVER abusive or an asshole (aside from some initial awkwardness and being standoffish)? I don't seem to recall that in any of the books. Huh.
I totally agree with the other people who, mentally, let someone's personality help "shape" their appearance. I've found I'm not usually attracted to super good-looking people, but I'm in love with an amazing personality, good intellect and a great sense of humor. These are the things that make a person very, very attractive to me, as opposed to a perfect physique or the face of a Greek god. *shrug*
I also find overly muscular people to be a bit repulsive, though. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cryalot:' /> And I can't say I care for skinny boys. If I can snap you in half over my knee, I probably don't want to date you.
Re: Human aesthetics.
I'm really into eyes and lips lately. I will stare at either feature quite a bit. I'm so creepy. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omgwtf:' />
I'm more drawn to people with interesting facial features than someone who looks generic. It's less likely that I will be drawn to someone that EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD thinks is gorgeous, handsome, etc, because usually those people are very generic looking. What's so special? I'd rather have Goto Maki over Mylie Cyrus any day. Give me those ears and that nose. :3
I'm with Windy on the overly musclular people. It really grosses me out especially when women have ginormous veiny muscles poking out everywhere. It's not feminine, and not sexy. Same goes for guys. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /> Conversely, I don't want to see your bones sticking out.
And if a person doesn't have a brain in their head, that's really unappealing as well. I can't endure a sexy body with no mind. I'd rather have a sexy mind. Sexy minds are sexy.
I'm more drawn to people with interesting facial features than someone who looks generic. It's less likely that I will be drawn to someone that EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD thinks is gorgeous, handsome, etc, because usually those people are very generic looking. What's so special? I'd rather have Goto Maki over Mylie Cyrus any day. Give me those ears and that nose. :3
I'm with Windy on the overly musclular people. It really grosses me out especially when women have ginormous veiny muscles poking out everywhere. It's not feminine, and not sexy. Same goes for guys. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':huh:' /> Conversely, I don't want to see your bones sticking out.
And if a person doesn't have a brain in their head, that's really unappealing as well. I can't endure a sexy body with no mind. I'd rather have a sexy mind. Sexy minds are sexy.
Re: Human aesthetics.
Basically. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omgwtf:' />
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Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Pflaume' post='61205' date='Mar 1 2009, 08:26 PM']Physical attractiveness has always been a weird topic for me because my brain completely changes it based on how much I like a person's personality. Someone I initially find nothing attractive about could suddenly be gorgeous once I get to know them or develop feelings for them. I don't mean in an abstract way, either, I mean suddenly their eyes are breathtaking or certain points of their face are very charming, their gait appeals to me, etc.[/quote]This explains exactly how I feel. If I look at a magazine I can see that people are attractive but they're all typical no-name pretty people with typical features. It's when I get to know them that I really find their features striking or especially beautiful. I can't say one person or one picture is a prototypical image of beauty to me because they're all gorgeous to me if I know, respect or admire them.
Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Windy' post='61988' date='Mar 10 2009, 08:49 PM']Uh? As much as I dislike this series, when is the male lead EVER abusive or an asshole (aside from some initial awkwardness and being standoffish)? I don't seem to recall that in any of the books. Huh.[/quote]
Actually, I never made it past the first chapter. It reminded me too much of Mary Sue fanfiction and the editor who lives in my brain constantly went off the deep end. But my coworkers LOVE that series, and from what I've heard them talking, it sounded like the main character was an abusive jerk. Dear Lord, this means not only did they read it, they misunderstood it!? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Actually, the one thing that creeped me out to no end was that whole oiling the window so it wouldn't make a sound while he watched her sleep. They said it was romantic. I say it's stalker creepy.
Actually, I never made it past the first chapter. It reminded me too much of Mary Sue fanfiction and the editor who lives in my brain constantly went off the deep end. But my coworkers LOVE that series, and from what I've heard them talking, it sounded like the main character was an abusive jerk. Dear Lord, this means not only did they read it, they misunderstood it!? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Actually, the one thing that creeped me out to no end was that whole oiling the window so it wouldn't make a sound while he watched her sleep. They said it was romantic. I say it's stalker creepy.
Re: Human aesthetics.
[quote name='Petit Melon' post='62382' date='Mar 16 2009, 03:09 PM']<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';/' /> Actually, the one thing that creeped me out to no end was that whole oiling the window so it wouldn't make a sound while he watched her sleep. They said it was romantic. I say it's stalker creepy.[/quote]
He whatted the what? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Yes. Creepy. Very.
I think the whole "abusive" thing, from what I gather (never read it either), was more an emotional issue of control? Like not letting her go places, ordering her around, etc. All things that could be seen as passionate love but are just sort of unhealthy.
Let's rewind to lubing up the window, though. He whatted the what?
He whatted the what? <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Yes. Creepy. Very.
I think the whole "abusive" thing, from what I gather (never read it either), was more an emotional issue of control? Like not letting her go places, ordering her around, etc. All things that could be seen as passionate love but are just sort of unhealthy.
Let's rewind to lubing up the window, though. He whatted the what?
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Re: Human aesthetics.
As much as the "Twilight stalker window" thing is making me go, "Whaa--?" as well, I have something to add to the topic.
My MIL was watching some real estate show and I guess she was checking out the couple on the show because she commented to me, "When you see an attractive woman with some unattractive, short guy, you KNOW he must be a doctor."
My face really went <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eekrun:' /> and I said, "A doctor? Why?"
I think she was implying that if a guy was ugly (and short. She emphasized that women go for tall guys) a pretty lady would never be with him unless he was rich.
I asked her if she meant that the woman was a gold digger and she replied, "Well, not a gold digger but what woman does not think of security or even finding a guy who can provide for her and her future children?"
I then asked, "So you don't think the guy might have a great personality?"
She responded, "Well, she saw him first because he talked. She could not have been attracted to THAT."
Okay, so I know it sounds like MIL is shallow for thinking that but does that also mean that I am naive to think that not all women are looking for a wallet instead of a cute guy? This connects a bit to all the people who said how personality shapes how they find others attractive, I suppose.
So, what do you all think?
My MIL was watching some real estate show and I guess she was checking out the couple on the show because she commented to me, "When you see an attractive woman with some unattractive, short guy, you KNOW he must be a doctor."
My face really went <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eekrun:' /> and I said, "A doctor? Why?"
I think she was implying that if a guy was ugly (and short. She emphasized that women go for tall guys) a pretty lady would never be with him unless he was rich.
I asked her if she meant that the woman was a gold digger and she replied, "Well, not a gold digger but what woman does not think of security or even finding a guy who can provide for her and her future children?"
I then asked, "So you don't think the guy might have a great personality?"
She responded, "Well, she saw him first because he talked. She could not have been attracted to THAT."
Okay, so I know it sounds like MIL is shallow for thinking that but does that also mean that I am naive to think that not all women are looking for a wallet instead of a cute guy? This connects a bit to all the people who said how personality shapes how they find others attractive, I suppose.
So, what do you all think?
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