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Found this on H!O, but it's Originally from The Japan Times.

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[center]"Morning Musume not ready to graduate yet"

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[/center]Three members of the Japanese pop phenomenon (and their manager) insist their mornings are far from numbered





Sitting squeezed together on a cafe sofa in central Tokyo, wide-eyed and eager, are "band leader" Ai Takahashi, age 22, "subleader" Risa Niigaki, 20, and one of the group's two Chinese members, Lin Lin, 17. One might think the members of this chart-happy Japanese institution would be run off their feet, but they show no signs of it. "We get winter, summer and New Year holidays for five days each, though it depends on the situation," explains Niigaki. Exuding self-confidence, Takahashi bursts out, "I went to New York! I saw Blue Man Group and Broadway musicals like 'Phantom of the Opera,' 'The Producers' and 'Chicago!' "



Everything is produced by one man: the all-controlling Tsunku. "He decides everything," explains the group's manager since September 2008, Kouichi Nishikata. "Usually an artist is controlled by their management, but this group is formed by the producer. It is a rare case."



Nishikata admits, "I think that the group could never survive without him. Tsunku really produces the songs, concepts, costumes, makeup, live shows, CD-sleeve designs — you name it! I had thought there was a stand-in or something to do all that."



"Recently, the songs Mr. Tsunku gives us are kind of mature and lonesome," says Niigaki. Asked how they may differ if they were in control, Niigaki replies: "If I could write a song, I'd like to write a little funny and jolly tune!"



"(I'd do) something cool. A danceable tune!" says Takahashi. "Like Destiny's Child."



Revealing their very different personalities, the perky Lin Lin suggests "rock music! A very crazy song! And the lyrics would be written in Chinese, Japanese and English!"



Morning Musume have recently been on a slow decline in terms of sales, and the group's revolving-door regeneration has had the negative effect that few consumers today recognize individual members. However, the girls' different personalities are highly apparent, and it's clear the management is keen to cultivate their individual abilities to reverse the slide.



"Each one should be recognized as being in Morning Musume in her prime," says Nishikata. "It used be like that. Morning Musume were well known, but also (original member) Natsumi Abe was well known (in her own right). But nobody knows who is in Morning Musume anymore."



Each member's forced "graduation" as they are deemed too old or mature, or the group need a fresh face, is the point by which they must have established themselves enough to go it alone. The inevitability of their young retirement from the group, though, is something the current crop barely consider as a limitation.



"I can't think of my graduation at all," says an animated Niigaki, before conceding, "I think of it a little now that I'm one of the longest-serving of the group, but when I first joined, never! I only thought about how to catch up with the other girls."



"I'd really like to make sure each one of them continues to work after their graduation," explains Nishikata. "We have promoted them as a group so far, but from now on, we'd like to promote them one by one, so I hope they can do more personal work after this summer."



Takahashi's willingness to answer quickly and authoritatively, supported by the considered approach of Niigaki, reflects in their older-sisterly roles as leader and subleader. In reality, they admit that the titles translate to little extra work.



"We sometimes form a circle before a live show or something. And we shout for self-encouragement, like, 'Ganbatte-ikemasu!' ('Let's go do our best!') " says Takahashi.Niigaki continues, "There is nothing I have to do as a subleader, but I want to support Ai when she's got a problem. So I have no pressure!"



Meanwhile, the other members of the group seem to be as diverse as Takahashi, Niigaki and Lin Lin. "The naughty one is Mitsy (Aika Mitsui, age 16). She won't let us sleep on a plane!" reveals Niigaki. "The funniest is Koharu Kusumi" (16) — the only girl selected in the audition for the seventh generation. "So her nickname was 'Miracle Koharu.' Eri Kamei, 20, is the messy one. She can't put things in order!"



Despite spending so much time together, the girls admit that even in their free time, they are rarely separated. They are rather coy, though, on the topic of seemingly inevitable group in-fighting.



"We always discuss a problem all together," says Niigaki.

"Sometimes one of our staff advises us to discuss a problem," adds Takahashi. "We are doing fine!"



At Morning Musume's inception, the group's fan base was diverse, attracting young girls, boys and parents. But another probable reason for their recent decline can be attributed to the resurgent otaku (obsessive fans). At a recent Hello! Project show in front of around 14,000 in Yokohama Arena, barely a single woman could be spotted among the dedicated and exuberant middle-age male crowd.



In April 2004, audio footage recorded backstage reportedly captured then-member Rika Ishikawa exclaiming: "Look at them. Grownups screaming like that! I can't believe it. So stupid!" Although such a scandal is rare in the micromanaged Musume life, standing in front of such frenzied supporters clearly affects the girls.



"I've been doing this for eight years but I still get as nervous as I did the first time," says Takahashi.

"I get a little nervous," states Niigaki, "but I love live shows so much, and being able to see the joyful faces of the fans." Lin Lin, meanwhile, finds it "too enjoyable to stay nervous!"



"The fans know about us in great detail," continues Niigaki, "and they can perform all our dance moves perfectly at the live shows!" Nevertheless, all the girls surprisingly admit that they walk comfortably on the streets without a disguise.



Morning Musume's move into China has been seen as the next logical step for the group. However, all has not gone according to plan. "The attempt to launch Morning Musume into China hasn't gone very well," admits Nishikata. "CDs don't sell well, because they are soon pirated. Two years ago, when Lin Lin and Jun Jun (22) joined, we tried to push them hard to China, but it didn't go so well. We are still trying to find a way."



The future of succeeding generations of Morning Musume is clearly something Nishikata is working hard to secure. And a move to the West is a definite possibility.



"In Europe and the U.S., there are many fans of Morning Musume and Japanese idoru (manufactured entertainers), thanks to the Internet," says Nishikata. "(We) were invited to an event in L.A. called A.X. (Anime Expo) as a music guest this July. There are already a lot of fans of Japanese animation (in the U.S.), so it might be easy to get in through that."




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I hope you're all still with me after that. I tried to keep the original article intact. I suck at paraphrasing stuff so I just chopped instead. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... iggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



I guess I really can blame Tsunku for everything, especially the covers. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> And this is a MUCH better interview then that horrible one in the Anime Insider Magazine. (They remembered Aika and correctly identified Takahashi!)


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I saw this earlier, and I didn't really find it all that post-worthy because there's not a lot of new information, but I guess it was. \<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ohyeah.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



The only thing that really surprised me is the passage about Tsunku controlling everything. Of course, we all know that he does the music and picks the members, but I always thought that the costumes/hair/makeup and other stuff was UFA's doing.



And has anyone ever refound the clip of Rika bashing the wotas? 8o
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[quote name='Special Needs Tricycle' post='62320' date='Mar 15 2009, 02:20 PM']I saw this earlier, and I didn't really find it all that post-worthy because there's not a lot of new information, but I guess it was. \<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ohyeah.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />[/quote]



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I don't know how much "new" info it has, but it felt like a fresh approach. I don't read many MM interviews, but it seems unusual for issues about where the group has been unsuccessful to be brought up directly with the girls or their management so that was ineresting. They didn't say "So nobody knows who you guys are individually now, how do you feel that?" or anything, but there were some pretty frank observations by the manager about their lack of success in China and how he wants to do better at promoting the girls individually.
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It may not be news, but the article is really interesting. It feels like a real look behind the scenes, not just "here's us doing stuffs byeeeee." Also, hearing that Tsunku decides EVERYTHING is interesting. It feels like a step backwards, doesn't it? You see a lot of big name artists getting and maintaining more creative control over their works, so hearing that one person basically does everything is a little jarring.



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I'm not trying to go all-out and defend Tsunku to the death, but I think some people still put way too much of the responsibility of bad decisions on him. Just like any major decision-maker, he surely has a group of colleagues who can advise and criticize any ideas that get brought up. It feels to me like yeah, he writes the music and thinks of a lot of the vague ideas concerning album art, concerts, etc., but there's no way he goes through every little detail of everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure its ok. He's probably presented with some ideas that other people developed using his general guidelines and just has to say an "OK" or "pass" and/or give some thoughts about what he'd like changed, if anything. He surely can't be a full-time music writer, performer, graphic designer, marketing agent, fashion designer, concert choreographer, studio producer, audition judge, restaurant entrepeneur, husband and father all equally, and all at the same time. He does most of these things to some degree at different points, but its not anywhere near possible to do devote all of your talent and energy into all of these things every day of your life, that's what staff is for.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='62337' date='Mar 15 2009, 04:48 PM']I'm not trying to go all-out and defend Tsunku to the death, but I think some people still put way too much of the responsibility of bad decisions on him. Just like any major decision-maker, he surely has a group of colleagues who can advise and criticize any ideas that get brought up. It feels to me like yeah, he writes the music and thinks of a lot of the vague ideas concerning album art, concerts, etc., but there's no way he goes through every little detail of everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure its ok. He's probably presented with some ideas that other people developed using his general guidelines and just has to say an "OK" or "pass" and/or give some thoughts about what he'd like changed, if anything. He surely can't be a full-time music writer, performer, graphic designer, marketing agent, fashion designer, concert choreographer, studio producer, audition judge, restaurant entrepeneur, husband and father all equally, and all at the same time. He does most of these things to some degree at different points, but its not anywhere near possible to do devote all of your talent and energy into all of these things every day of your life, that's what staff is for.[/quote]

I agree that he doesn't do everything personally, but I still get the feeling that he comes up with the ideas, sends the ideas through the channels to get things done (graphics, photos, etc.), and he gets the final say. I don't think ideas are presented to him with a pass/fail system.
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Something I caught:


Established as a TV host and drama actress in China, she was recommended to Tsunku by a friend of his. "And so I came to Japan to join the Hello! Project Egg!" she says.
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Nishikata admits, "I think that the group could never survive without him. Tsunku really produces the songs, concepts, costumes, makeup, live shows, CD-sleeve designs — you name it! I had thought there was a stand-in or something to do all that."
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he writes the music and thinks of a lot of the vague ideas concerning album art, concerts, etc., but there's no way he goes through every little detail of everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure its ok. He's probably presented with some ideas that other people developed using his general guidelines and just has to say an "OK" or "pass" and/or give some thoughts about what he'd like changed, if anything.


Well, we never know. Tsunku probably does not do everything 100% but I think you're also glossing over the quote, which is the most direct evidence we have.
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Nishikata admits, "I think that the group could never survive without him. Tsunku really produces the songs, concepts, costumes, makeup, live shows, CD-sleeve designs — you name it! I had thought there was a stand-in or something to do all that."


Well, we never know. Tsunku probably does not do everything 100% but I think you're also glossing over the quote, which is the most direct evidence we have.
I'm not really glossing over the quote, because the word "produce" is a really general and subjective term and you don't know how much involvement in any of these aspects it implies by just saying "produces." Hell, in Hollywood, all the producer does is lend finances to get the movie made.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='62347' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:27 PM']Hell, in Hollywood, all the producer does is lend finances to get the movie made.[/quote]

. . . So, so not XD Well, alright, sometimes yes, but a loooot of producers get very, very involved and have other things they do. After putting in all that money, they want to make sure they're going to make a profit. In fact, they frequently fuck up the whole thing XD A producer that just hands you a million dollars and leaves you alone is like. A mermaid. Or a unicorn. Also don't forget that that is a quote translated from Japanese. Not saying that the guy who translated this is an idiot or anything (s/he clearly did their homework in this article) but I just think it's silly to discuss a word in a translated quote. It doesn't really matter who we blame in the end; H!P fucked up.



I thought this interview was interesting, however. Like everyone's said, it didn't really say anything that hasn't already been said at this BBS, but it was really neat to hear it out of the horse's mouth so to speak. They're aware! Who knew! I liked how the actual part with the girl's was just Every Interview Ever intercut in with the manager/interesting stuff to make sure people read it haha
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Well, I appreciated the article. Thanks for posting it.
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Thanks for posting this! It's nothing new, but it was interesting to read anyway. It's easy for us to lose sight of the big picture when we're involved in all the tiny details of it, so I really liked reading this summary.

It's always interesting to see how something you love is treated on TV or in a newspaper. The article was accurate and overall pretty fair, though I was surprised at how positive it was.



[indent]Takahashi and Niigaki are now the longest- serving members in the group's history, both having joined in 2001 as part of the fifth generation.[/indent]Oh my god, they've been here for 8 years already. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ryalot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

[indent]"He decides everything," explains the group's manager since September 2008, Kouichi Nishikata.[/indent]Oh wow, interesting. I wonder what their manager does, and how exactly it affects the group. As in, how did that change last September affect them? How many managers have they had?

[indent]Revealing their very different personalities, the perky Lin Lin suggests "rock music! A very crazy song! And the lyrics would be written in Chinese, Japanese and English!"[/indent]LinLin just jumped up a few notches in my book with that. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

[indent]Morning Musume have recently been on a slow decline in terms of sales, and the group's revolving-door regeneration has had the negative effect that few consumers today recognize individual members. However, the girls' different personalities are highly apparent, and it's clear the management is keen to cultivate their individual abilities to reverse the slide.

"Each one should be recognized as being in Morning Musume in her prime," says Nishikata. "It used be like that. Morning Musume were well known, but also (original member) Natsumi Abe was well known (in her own right). But nobody knows who is in Morning Musume anymore."[/indent]It's encouraging that the management recognizes that they're not that well-known individually, despite having the longest running lineup without a member change and despite having two of the longest-running members there.

[indent]In reality, they [Takahashi & Niigaki] admit that the [leader & sub-leader] titles translate to little extra work.

"We sometimes form a circle before a live show or something. And we shout for self-encouragement, like, 'Ganbatte-ikemasu!' ('Let's go do our best!') " says Takahashi.

Niigaki continues, "There is nothing I have to do as a subleader, but I want to support Ai when she's got a problem. So I have no pressure!"[/indent]<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

[indent]"Chinese people applaud a lot and we all love (them waving) glittering light sticks," says Lin Lin. "You can't see the applause, but you can see the lights!"[/indent]Are we going to need glowsticks for AX in LA in July?

[indent]Morning Musume's move into China has been seen as the next logical step for the group. However, all has not gone according to plan.

"The attempt to launch Morning Musume into China hasn't gone very well," admits Nishikata. "CDs don't sell well, because they are soon pirated."[/indent]In other news: the sky is blue and water is wet. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... popper.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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I'm guessing that the interviewer, Robert Michael Poole, is American. Anyone know? And I'm wondering if he speaks Japanese or had an interpreter.



I find it interesting that the interview is with three of them. That answers a question I raised in one of the Anime Expo threads in Members Territory about whether they break them up to do interviews. This makes me hopeful that maybe they'll do this at AX and maybe I can score an interview with two or three of them. We'll see.
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[quote name='Madara' post='62426' date='Mar 18 2009, 07:30 AM']I'm guessing that the interviewer, Robert Michael Poole, is American. Anyone know? And I'm wondering if he speaks Japanese or had an interpreter.



I find it interesting that the interview is with three of them. That answers a question I raised in one of the Anime Expo threads in Members Territory about whether they break them up to do interviews. This makes me hopeful that maybe they'll do this at AX and maybe I can score an interview with two or three of them. We'll see.[/quote]



Ooh are you gonna try to score press credentials? You could represent the BBS, tell them you come from a very close-knit community of Hello Project fans that has survived through many hardships... leaving out the fact that the community is founded around being sarcastic and criticizing their every move.



I like this interview though their Yokohama arena reporting is incorrect. For the afternoon concert It was probably 20-30% female, and for the night even higher (Yossi fans). At the Gatas concert it was almost half and half for the one I went to. Just many of the female fans blend in, as most of us are wota too and decked out in tshirts, with many of the females I've met not looking very female at all. They even had a special goods line for females and people in family seating. Which my friend and I got corralled into even though our two other female friends in the group went over with the rest to the more crowded line.



There are certainly lest but I wouldn't say their downfall is in any way due to otaku crowds. All idols have otaku crowds, it has been that way since the beginning of idols. Morning Musume hitting it big with a general audience for a while in the first place is really the odd thing in the idol world. Many of the changes in fans had to do with Tsunku himself seeming to more and promote them as idols, and so they fell into less of the general audiences mind. Whether this had to do with getting so big, or with the member changes, I couldn't say. But many of these things made the group look more and more like an idol group instead of the original idea of a "Morning Set" that Tsunku had and which appealed to a greater audience.
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"The attempt to launch Morning Musume into China hasn't gone very well," admits Nishikata. "CDs don't sell well, because they are soon pirated..."
I know that pirating is a problem in China, but I'm wondering if they're just blaming it on piracy... like the movie industry blaming low theatre attendance at bad movies on piracy. Could be possible that they just haven't been marketing MM effectively in China... but that's just pure speculation.
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[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='62347' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:27 PM']I'm not really glossing over the quote, because the word "produce" is a really general and subjective term and you don't know how much involvement in any of these aspects it implies by just saying "produces." Hell, in Hollywood, all the producer does is lend finances to get the movie made.[/quote]

This is how I read it, too. Like you said, in Hollywood, many times they'll give an "Executive Producer" title to people that had little (or even zero) involvement with the project. And in the case of Tsunku, don't get me wrong, I know he has a general role in all aspects of Hellopro's production. But the music writing is the only specific part that he crafts by himself. That part is demanding enough, and it's a wonder he even manages to do that part alone. In terms of the external issues, however, those are crafted and fine-tuned by his staff. And his staff, mind you, is composed of people he trusts to think along the same lines as he does. Most of the time, he will tell them what he's going for, and they will base their creations around that. He will then work with them, at various stages, to inject his own creativity into the project. And he always has final say on whether something is used or not. So in all of that, yes, he does "produce" every little aspect of Hellopro.



And in one way of thinking, you could blame him for any given aspect that you don't like. He manages the whole shabang, and typically it's the manager's back on which any blame must fall. They take responsibility for the output of their subordinates. This applies in a retail setting, in an office building, and in entertainment as well. It's ultimately his choice to approve stuff like choreography, costumes, album jackets, and etc. And all of those things, while they're not crafted by him specifically, were still born and raised on his general ideas. But another way to see it, of course, is to say that someone only deserves the blame if they created and crafted something themselves. Otherwise, it's a team effort, and the team should be blamed. I see the wisdom in both ways of thinking, really. And for me specifically, I tend to say it like this. When you hate a song, blame Tsunku. When you hate the externals, blame UpFront and/or the whole team.
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"The attempt to launch Morning Musume into China hasn't gone very well," admits Nishikata. "CDs don't sell well, because they are soon pirated..."
I know that pirating is a problem in China, but I'm wondering if they're just blaming it on piracy... like the movie industry blaming low theatre attendance at bad movies on piracy. Could be possible that they just haven't been marketing MM effectively in China... but that's just pure speculation.


Yeah I agree completely. The industry is so quick to place blame on pirating. I don't know how much of that claim is true, but I would suspect that with a market as large China, there's room for a lot of doubt. I really don't think they would see much of a significant difference regardless.
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I'm not really glossing over the quote, because the word "produce" is a really general and subjective term and you don't know how much involvement in any of these aspects it implies by just saying "produces." Hell, in Hollywood, all the producer does is lend finances to get the movie made.
But the music writing is the only specific part that he crafts by himself. That part is demanding enough, and it's a wonder he even manages to do that part alone. In terms of the external issues, however, those are crafted and fine-tuned by his staff. And his staff, mind you, is composed of people he trusts to think along the same lines as he does. Most of the time, he will tell them what he's going for, and they will base their creations around that. He will then work with them, at various stages, to inject his own creativity into the project. And he always has final say on whether something is used or not. So in all of that, yes, he does "produce" every little aspect of Hellopro.


And how do you know this? Obvs we've never worked with him directly, but did this come up in another interview?



Imo watching tons of H!P produced stuff and having lots of our fan-nerd theories will never actually shed light on the real workings of the company. Or in short, we just don't know. Tsunku may indeed oversee every detail on some song - or put his foot down on certain costumes - or talk out the storyboards for the PVs frame by frame to an artist - OR just provide a general vision for his underlings to carry out to his final approval (as you suggest). Who knows? If we'll never know, what is the point of arguing one way or another over who is "to blame"?



What we DO know, from a direct quote, is only that Tsunku has his fingers in every little pot and does not rely on "stand-ins." I'm not picking a fight here but was protesting Steve's immediate response to defend Tsunku as not to blame for any flaws we perceive in H!P with the confident assertion that
there's no way he goes through every little detail of everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure its ok.
If "produce" is indeed a subjective, vague term, then we also have to leave open the possibility that, yes, Tsunku is a details-oriented megalord of H!P.



But anyhow. Personally, my knee-jerk reaction is to blame the performers <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eekrun:' />
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Re: Morning Musume Interview [The Japan Times]

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I found the issue that this article was in - it takes up the whole front of the Japan Times Weekend Edition (and still continues to another page), so it's huge!



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Interesting read! I never knew the Japan Times had a Weekend Edition. And it's free too! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... deways.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sideways:' />
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