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[Ap2000]

[quote name='mEri' post='74942' date='Feb 2 2010, 02:49 AM'][quote name='Ap2000' post='74939' date='Feb 1 2010, 05:36 PM']btw, I already saw the first 2 minutes of s06e01 AND NOW I WANT TO SEE IT EVEN HARDER AND CAN'T WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW BUT STILL HAVE TO LEARN FOR A TEST TOMORROW AFTERNOON AND SOME STUPID CAR'S ALARM IS GOING OFF FOR HALF AN HOUR NOW AND IT'S NOT STOPING AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.



I think I haven't been this excited since the release of Ocarina of Time ffs.[/quote]



ME TOO!! I'm so excited. My classmate is throwing a LOST party tomorrow night haha.

[/quote]



Unfortunately nobody I know personally likes/watches Lost. The ratings in Germany (Austrian channels never had it on) are pretty bad.



But I wouldn't want to watch it with other people anyway, I'm more of the "watch something alone and completely contemplate". Especially when it comes to movies/series that I really like or am really hyped to see.



Did he also get one of these ?

http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=255004&pa=dotw

[Zounder]

I'm pumped as well! I've been going nuts for what feels like ages in anticipation! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ek3run.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Savor this, though, because this will be the last season premiere ever...



In other news, I may actually not be able to watch tomorrow if I don't get home from class in time, so I may have to wait for hulu the next day... I don't really have any recording devices here, sadly.



I saw those trailers too, but there was no way I was looking away! That shit looks AWESOME. I can't wait to see where they're taking the on-island storyline.

[Zounder]

<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... R#>/XD.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':XD:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... >/w00t.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':w00t:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /dance.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /crazy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':doh:' /> <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... ek3run.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whatthe:' />



I present to you, my reactions while watching the premiere. I don't even know how to gather my thoughts right now.. I gotta process some first before discussing it. Post after you guys have seen it so we can discuss!

[al kusanagi]

I'm thinkin' the bomb created two separate realities/timelines and part of the season might have to do with either merging them, or having to choose which one to wipe out.



Also, I'm betting the Artist-Formerly-Know-As-Locke is actually an incarnation of X-men villain Apocalypse.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='75010' date='Feb 3 2010, 08:22 AM']I'm thinkin' the bomb created two separate realities/timelines and part of the season might have to do with either merging them, or having to choose which one to wipe out.



Also, I'm betting the Artist-Formerly-Know-As-Locke is actually an incarnation of X-men villain Apocalypse.[/quote]



lol wat



I agree with the first one though. Wonderful beginning, I can't even imagine how this is going to play out.

Also, I think dead Jacob and "dead" Sayid are Smokey.

He just needed somebody to lure a body into the temple, so he took control of Jacob's "body" and made Hurley get dying Sayid in there.



That the MIB wanted to get OFF the island is very interesting.



The biggest brix-shitting part however was the under-water island.



I don't really understand why at the end he said "I'm disappointed in all of you".



Oh and Dr. Arzt being a total noob again, HELL YEAH !

[eri]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='75014' date='Feb 3 2010, 01:18 AM']Also, I think dead Jacob and "dead" Sayid are Smokey.

He just needed somebody to lure a body into the temple, so he took control of Jacob's "body" and made Hurley get dying Sayid in there.[/quote]



Nah, smokey wasn't near the Temple and hence, they began protecting it with that dust. He was out beating up guyliner by the beach. My friends and I speculated that Sayid is the new Jacob or Jacob-like figure = he died and after being dead for 3...minutes, was resurrected like Jesus. Also, Jacob's whereabouts are totally unknown.



The parallel universe annoys me. I have a feeling the two worlds will come together again though as a method of course correction.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='mEri' post='75038' date='Feb 3 2010, 09:53 PM'][quote name='Ap2000' post='75014' date='Feb 3 2010, 01:18 AM']Also, I think dead Jacob and "dead" Sayid are Smokey.

He just needed somebody to lure a body into the temple, so he took control of Jacob's "body" and made Hurley get dying Sayid in there.[/quote]



Nah, smokey wasn't near the Temple and hence, they began protecting it with that dust. He was out beating up guyliner by the beach. My friends and I speculated that Sayid is the new Jacob or Jacob-like figure = he died and after being dead for 3...minutes, was resurrected like Jesus. Also, Jacob's whereabouts are totally unknown.



The parallel universe annoys me. I have a feeling the two worlds will come together again though as a method of course correction.

[/quote]



Well, Sayid was long dead before they started to protect themselves. Maybe there's some time needed before MIB can use corpses/replicas of them. Sayid was dead way longer than just 3 minutes, they were already resigning, walking around etc. Besides, Smokey doesn't have to be anywhere visible for the dead guys walking around, so that's not really an argument. =P And with all the power that mysterious being has, I think it's possible that he can act in more than just one place.



I thought it was funny however, how they carried him into the water, just like that crucifix stuff. I REALLY hope this doesn't end in some retarded christian bullshit like BSG did... all the egyptian mythology makes me hope it's not going to.



Of course this can be seen as both, Sayid being occupied/used by Jacob or Smokey, we don't have evidence for either. It's just that so far only Smokey/MIB has been using dead bodies as far as we know.



It's interesting to see the fountain/temple, where Ben was healed when he was shot by Sayid. (what a coincidence)

Back then Richard said "He will not be the same again".



btw, I have an idea where Richard is from; I think he was a slave on the black rock and also uses the fountain/temple to stay young, since he was probably freed from slavery from Jacob.

[Zounder]

So here's a bunch of random thoughts!



[quote name='Ap2000' post='75014' date='Feb 3 2010, 04:18 AM']I don't really understand why at the end he said "I'm disappointed in all of you".[/quote]



I interpreted that line as he was disappointed in them choosing to follow Jacob, or perhaps simply for having a different life philosophy then he does. I'm sure they'll elaborate later on.



Seeing the temple was my favorite part of the episode. The Japanese guy is all kinds of badass. And the mass hysteria that ensued when they found out Jacob was dead was intense.



I am also of the belief that Sayid is being possessed... by MiB wouldn't make sense due to the reasons stated, so I guess it's Jacob, or perhaps something different entirely.



How about Desmond on the plane? His presence seemed different than the rest... perhaps he was aware of the other timeline, or maybe Jack was the only one who can see him? The mark on Jack's neck is interesting, too.



Hurley had some great lines this episode... "Dude, I carried that thing all through the island, and like, time... I deserve to know what's in it!" "I have a gun, and I know how to use it!"



The last lines Juliet uttered about Coffee and dutch... and I wonder if we're gonna see those lines pop up at some point in a flash, much like Charlotte and the chocolate line. It would show that Juliet was time-traveling in her mind like Charlotte was just before she died, and perhaps she was actually traveling to the alternate timeline! Hence the line, "it worked."



The scene was fake Locke and Ben, talking about the real Locke was brilliantly done... as was the scene with all of them walking off the plane at the halfway mark.

[Ap2000]

Guess when the finale is going to air. 23.05. haha, Carlton said it on his twitter thing.

[al kusanagi]

That bitch shot Mac!!! Green Man will avenge you!



Also, Didn't Go To The Island Kate is an idiot.

[Ap2000]

All board the lovetriangle train !



Claire is already pissing me off again. =/



Hooray for abandoned DHARMAVILLE !



Fuck yeah, Ethan is back. He's somehow my favourite (supporting) character and now we even see him as the Baby-doctor again.



That's how you do it Jack, "just trust me" - "no, fuck you unknown asian guy !".



Another brick shitting episode cliffhanger.





I didn't think we were going to get new info on "the infection" and that was actually just Smokey inhabiting the dead guys.

No Flocke action is kind of disappointing.



@Al; Kate always was kind of an idiot. haha





EDIT:

Trailer for next episode:

http://de-lostpedia.blogspot.com/2010/02/e...substitute.html



Looks like it's going to be a great episode.

[Zounder]

The return of Mac shocked the hell outta me and was pretty damn awesome. I loved his resentment and attitude toward Kate for what happened to him before!



As far as the infection goes, I'm assuming that is the same as the "sickness" that Rousseau mentioned, the thing we saw happen during her flashbacks to the rest of her crew. I'm wondering, though, how different this is from Smokey simply inhabiting a dead body... in other words, is the same thing happening to Sayid as it is Locke? I guess not.



Dogen said Claire was infected. Remember, she was seen in the cabin. I took that to mean maybe Smokey possessed her body Locke-style. But I guess that really was Claire sitting there, "infected" Sayid-style.

[Ap2000]

Who is Mac ? The guy white guy escorting Kate ?

I don't remember him from previous episodes and I was confused when he said something about getting shot by her or something like that.

[Zounder]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='75523' date='Feb 10 2010, 03:25 PM']Who is Mac ? The guy white guy escorting Kate ?

I don't remember him from previous episodes and I was confused when he said something about getting shot by her or something like that.[/quote]

Well his character name is Aldo (I think) but he plays Mac on Always Sunny, that's how I think of him! But yeah, in season three, when Sawyer and Kate were escaping from the cages and that secondary island the others had them on, Alex agreed to help them if they helped bust Karl out of Room 23 (That room where they brainwash people) and Aldo was the guard. They pull a "Wookie prisoner" trick (as Sawyer words it) by having Alex walk up to Aldo with Sawyer (or Kate, I forget) as a fake prisoner to get Aldo to let them in. Then Kate proceeds to knock him unconscious. Hence, his disdain for Kate!

[Ap2000]

I watched it on some shitty ABC spain justin.tv stream. Quality was acceptale, audio was a bit dull, but the really annoying things were the advertisements every ~8 minutes (here in german TV it's usually 20~30 mins inbetween ad breaks), which is completely unacceptable, and spanish subs... but I felt like just once watch a Lost episode LIVE, before the series was over.



Anyway, onto the episode.



Ben as a teacher. lol



As expected from the preview clips, a really good and interesting episode.

The "inside joke" was wonderful. haha

I'm absolutely not sure who that kid was. He's dressed like an Other, seems in the teens and obviously know about Flocke. I also found it funny that Locke's "Don't tell me what I can't do !" came out of Flocke's mouth. That was kind of weird...

I think the kid was either a teenage-version of Aaron (maybe he gets somehow re-incarnated ? who knows) or a new Jacob. Also, from the preview at the end, it seems like we'll see some new Jacob stuff next time.

I have a theory on the "list" (or call it cave paintings if you want to), this involves the preview for the Jack-centered episode that we saw. It has to do, that Flocke is actually playing a trick on Sawyer. However, I don't want to give this away in case this is really going to happen, because it certainly seems plausible and would be a wonderful twist.



Here's the full list in case you didn't see it:



4 Locke

8 Reyes

15 Ford

16 Jarrah

23 Shephard

42 Kwon

(No kate yessssss)



I can't wait for the Richard-centered episode (it's #9 iirc), that one is going to be a constant pant-jizzer episode.







Oh and Frank, just standing there being awesome and having the funniest line of the whole episode, again.

[al kusanagi]

I could have sworn, or at least I had a theory, that early in the series, that the phenomena on the island were supposed to have been caused by a super psionic kid with control of reality, and he (or his body) was what was stuck under the hatch, which was the epicenter of the weirdness before the whole mythology spiraled out of control. Being a kid was supposed to explain the stuff from Walt's comic book, like the polar bears (I'm pretty sure there were bears in the comic Walt read). But then the show was picked up for more seasons and the story just changed more and more.



Maybe it still is the kid (or his spirit fused with the island) and he's created Jacob and the monster as a hero and villain that are supposed to follow certain rules, which monsterlocke is now trying to break.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Al Kusanagi' post='75805' date='Feb 17 2010, 05:01 AM']I could have sworn, or at least I had a theory, that early in the series, that the phenomena on the island were supposed to have been caused by a super psionic kid with control of reality, and he (or his body) was what was stuck under the hatch, which was the epicenter of the weirdness before the whole mythology spiraled out of control. Being a kid was supposed to explain the stuff from Walt's comic book, like the polar bears (I'm pretty sure there were bears in the comic Walt read). But then the show was picked up for more seasons and the story just changed more and more.



Maybe it still is the kid (or his spirit fused with the island) and he's created Jacob and the monster as a hero and villain that are supposed to follow certain rules, which monsterlocke is now trying to break.[/quote]



Well, Flocke says "I once was a man like you" to Sawyer and I believe him that. Just like Richard was probably somebody from the Black Rock.



I'm not sure where from you got that kid-thing though, I don't remember any special kid besides Walt.

[Zounder]

I have a theory on the "list" (or call it cave paintings if you want to), this involves the preview for the Jack-centered episode that we saw. It has to do, that Flocke is actually playing a trick on Sawyer. However, I don't want to give this away in case this is really going to happen, because it certainly seems plausible and would be a wonderful twist.

I have a theory related to this too, I'll tag it just in case by some freak chance I end up right. (I also use a title of an episode coming up)



Anyone here ever play Myst? Remember how the two brothers are stuck in the red and blue books, and they are trying to trick the player into freeing them, and having the player take their place? I think MiB is similarly tricking Sawyer into taking his spot as the "dark" entity on the island while MiB is free to leave. I think the series will end with Jack and Sawyer as the new Jacob and MiB. (He is a candidate after all)... Now, I'm not entirely sure this is true, of course, but if somebody asked how I think LOST will end, that is my current answer. However, this could become completely invalidated if MiB goes on to recruit others, and Sawyer is just part of the plan... There is an episode coming up called "The Last Recruit" which supports that there will be at least one more, and probably more than just one.



I'm very interested in the "rules" young Jacob (or Aaron, or whoever) spoke of, and even more interested in how Flocke was able to see him. He seemed very shocked to see him, so who knows how used he is to seeing island visions.



I also enjoyed seeing Ben as a teacher and Frank's one-liner!



Another quick thing about the numbers: Here's a list from wikipedia of all the names spotted on the wall: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates#Known_candidates

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Zounder' post='75857' date='Feb 18 2010, 04:35 AM']Anyone here ever play Myst? Remember how the two brothers are stuck in the red and blue books, and they are trying to trick the player into freeing them, and having the player take their place? I think MiB is similarly tricking Sawyer into taking his spot as the "dark" entity on the island while MiB is free to leave. I think the series will end with Jack and Sawyer as the new Jacob and MiB. (He is a candidate after all)... Now, I'm not entirely sure this is true, of course, but if somebody asked how I think LOST will end, that is my current answer. However, this could become completely invalidated if MiB goes on to recruit others, and Sawyer is just part of the plan... There is an episode coming up called "The Last Recruit" which supports that there will be at least one more, and probably more than just one.[/quote]



Marry me, that's exactly what I was going to say, also I think the cave is actually MIB's home, not Jacob's.

I was searching for a complete list, thanks !

[Fina]

I've spent that last month and a half cramming in the entire series and I'm finally caught up. Thank God. I already had so much spoiled about the series, there was no way I was going to wait and have it turn into a Dumbledore's dead fiasco.



I'm not sure why, but my mind is really suspicious as to why Kate's name wasn't on the wall in the cave. Her name was on the lighthouse dial, though, so who knows. Right now I'm leaning towards the idea that The Man in Black/smokey/Flocke is not the evil one. I brother forwarded it to me, so I don't know where the original article came from that discussed this, but it pointed out how, basically, everything Jacob has ever done was extremely evil. Versus, MIB, granted, he's done some shitty things, but for the most part his actions remain ambiguous. For example, yes, he killed some innocent people, but he did spare some, like Locke or Mr. Echo, and this theorist thought that maybe killing the innocent ones was for the greater good, and that killing Jacob was to protect everyone. Who knows. Either way, when we first saw the flashback I didn't really think of MIB as the evil one. True, he said he was going to kill Jacob, but that was after Jacob went all "I'm going to bring everyone to the island even if it means they suuck".



I have this weird idea in my mind, following the religious things, about how, possibly, Jacob is "God" and MIB is the devil, except that this means nothing in terms of good versus evil. For example, Jacob seems to know what's going on, and the fate's of everyone, and controls who came and who stayed, who died, ect, much like what God is said to do. However, does this make him good? Not necessarily. (It reminds me the argument of "If God exists, why would he put the world through things like Haiti/Katrina/deadly disasters/murder/ect.") So perhaps it is God and the Devil, although God does not equal good.



Although, my brother said there's a lot of Egyptian mythology on two brothers who fight, so I keep going back to that. I really have to look up information that.



Oh, one last thing. I AM SO MAD HOW THEY KILLED JULIET. This was, by far, the MEANEST death they have ever done. Granted, it was mean to me because I actually liked Juliet, (It drives me insane that they keep killing off all the good female characters, yet Kate is still alive and kicking, being boring and irritating.) but seriously, come on. I figured she died with the bomb. Then, oh my goodness, she's not dead! She's alive! I was so happy! And as Sawyer was getting to her I thought, "It would really suck if, when he got there, she was dead" but I figured they weren't that mean. BUT THEY WERE. Shitty. I was so upset. Still am. God damn it Kate, you suck.

[Ap2000]

Jacob can't be THE god, since he clearly is bound to rules, just like MIB.

I'm with you that Jacob is actually a bad guy, at least to MIB. He also doesn't seem to give a shit to sacrifice people.



It's Mr. Eko btw. =P

[Ap2000]

There currently is an interview with Mark Pellegrino (Jacob) floating around the internet.



DO NO LISTEN TO IT !



It contains hugeass spoilers (even in the first few seconds already) about who Jacob or MIB actually are. (I'm not sure which one, I closed it as soon as I heard them talking about what I think is saying who one of them is)

[Zounder]

This was a pretty underwhelming episode tonight. 50 minutes of nothing followed by 10 minutes of awesome. I'll give you guys time to watch the episode if you haven't before going any farther.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Zounder' post='76595' date='Mar 3 2010, 04:07 AM']This was a pretty underwhelming episode tonight. 50 minutes of nothing followed by 10 minutes of awesome. I'll give you guys time to watch the episode if you haven't before going any farther.[/quote]



I liked it.

The only episode so far that was somewhat boring, was Kate's.



Also, Sayid was pretty much kickass.



Next episode looks to be awesome.

[Fina]

I was frustrated with last night's episode mostly because the commercial claimed "Questions will be answered" and . . . I don't think a single one was. I found it to be pretty boring though, but I've also gotten a bit tired with Sayid's character so that could be why. The episode I REALLY want to see is Sawyer's, because I think a lot of my questions will be answered when I see his hopefully. (I'm curious to know whether or not the alternate universe is what their lives would have been like if Jacob never talked to them. If this is so, Sawyer's would be the most convincing, as he probably wouldn't be on his revenge mission without Jacob's interference.)



I don't think they're going to "destroy" Ben like the commercial implys. For one thing, Lost commercials LIE. But two, Ben was such a good character, if he DOES die, I doubt it would be farwarned, and I doubt it would be this soon into the final. Although he isn't as important of a character as he used to be . . . hm.

Jacob can't be THE god, since he clearly is bound to rules, just like MIB.

I'm with you that Jacob is actually a bad guy, at least to MIB. He also doesn't seem to give a shit to sacrifice people.



It's Mr. Eko btw. =P

That's true, I didn't really think of that. And ah! I spent a few minutes going, "Eko, or Echo? Eko or Echo?" I thought it was Eko, but then if I was wrong I didn't want people to think I couldn't spell the word "echo." <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

[Zounder]

[quote name='Fina' post='76626' date='Mar 3 2010, 03:30 PM']I was frustrated with last night's episode mostly because the commercial claimed "Questions will be answered" and . . . I don't think a single one was.[/quote]



We know the significance of the baseball! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... popper.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



My favorite part of the episode was the scene at the end with the song in the background. Very moving.



Otherwise, it certainly wasn't terrible but not up to snuff with the rest of the season as a whole. The flash-sideways didn't really go anywhere (though I did enjoy it) and the whole episode just seemed so slow-moving.



Two things bothered me:



Why hasn't Claire killed Kate yet? She said she would!



And I fail to see how all those temple-others would so suddenly willingly follow Flocke. I mean, leaving the temple because you are scared is one thing. Standing behind him looking like his henchman at the end of the episode, completely unmoved by the destruction at the temple is another. Maybe he did something to them that we didn't see? I doubt we'll get an answer, though... it just seemed like it was there to make the scene dramatic. Still bothers me, though.

[Ap2000]

In case you want to see Michael Emerson in a 1992 prison training video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgbKJWDxcE

[Magus Darkstar]

Since I was summoned from my slumber by the admins, I thought I might take the opportunity to pimp my favorite Lost podcast, Geronimo Jack's Beard. It's from Jorge Garcia (who plays Hurley) and his girlfriend. They taped the episodes months ago and review the scripts they got. It's kinda cool and pretty light hearted. SO CHECK IT OUT!



OR DON'T! YOU KNOW, WHATEVER

[Ap2000]

To sum up my thoughts on the last two episodes:



Ben episode was good !

Sawyer episode was cool !



Miles and Sawyer sure got some guy love going on, though I always thought Hurley & Miles will get a travel through time spin-off after the show ends. :>



EDIT:

Oh and next week will be Richard-centric, which will probably be absolutely mindblowing.

I also know something about Episode 16, but I won't post it, because promise me, you don't want to know.



2.EDIT:

Possible conclusion of today's episode: Is Sawyer the new Richard ?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7256/1268838794506.jpg

[Zounder]

Something just occurred to me a week ago and I can't believe I didn't realize it sooner: Everybody from Ajira 316 That went back in time to 1977 we're candidates! Well, We don't know if it's Jin or Sun, but I'm suspecting it's Jin. And that's exactly why Sun didn't go back in time. MiB did something to send all of the remaining candidates back in time, possibly to get rid of them so nobody could replace Jacob. Jacob's last words, "They're coming" was in references to the candidates returning to the present.



I'm also completely confused as to who's side Widmore is on. He attacks the island, and Ilana's crew doesn't like him (as they tell Miles before he gets on the freighter, "You're playing for the wrong side"), but he's not on MiBs side? Could Widmore be playing for a third party?



Dr. Linus was a fantastic episode, Recon was pretty good. Also, I love that image, Ap.