Tsuji's wedding photos published

[neshcom]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69346' date='Sep 25 2009, 08:51 AM']And to Jpope, I very strongly doubt a high percentage of people still interested in her career now were actually fans before this happened, especially judging from what idol fandom is based on, you fill in that blank for yourself, we've had that discussion 100 times here and everyone already knows. I think most people flipping out about her now are women who think pregnancy when you're young and Japanese is cool and unique. And if you think being young, pregnant, and Japanese is cool and unique yourself, please refer to the above quoted portion.[/quote]

Maybe fans from her old MM career weren't fans when she became inactive, but that doesn't mean they can't become her fan now. Hell, if anything, if they liked her enough, they'd probably be more excited to see her doing anything. I know that's exactly how I am with Iida. She may not have had an album come out in years, but I'm glad I can see her blog everyday. You may fill in the blank, but there's no reason you can't share the blank. And I don't remember the other 100 discussions. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' />

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='neshcom' post='69355' date='Sep 25 2009, 12:26 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69346' date='Sep 25 2009, 08:51 AM']And to Jpope, I very strongly doubt a high percentage of people still interested in her career now were actually fans before this happened, especially judging from what idol fandom is based on, you fill in that blank for yourself, we've had that discussion 100 times here and everyone already knows. I think most people flipping out about her now are women who think pregnancy when you're young and Japanese is cool and unique. And if you think being young, pregnant, and Japanese is cool and unique yourself, please refer to the above quoted portion.[/quote]

Maybe fans from her old MM career weren't fans when she became inactive, but that doesn't mean they can't become her fan now. Hell, if anything, if they liked her enough, they'd probably be more excited to see her doing anything. I know that's exactly how I am with Iida. She may not have had an album come out in years, but I'm glad I can see her blog everyday. You may fill in the blank, but there's no reason you can't share the blank. And I don't remember the other 100 discussions. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pouty:' />

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The problem here is: what exactly are they becoming a fan of? The way she looks? She doesn't do anything else and especially nothing of any entertaining value besides take pictures of herself and write stupid text in blogs. Oh, and appear on really random and pointless variety shows to talk about her pregnancy and married life, which is so mundane and ordinary that it really is a conundrum of why they even bother.



100 other discussions are about the intensity of fandom from the wotas who start burning and destroying pictures, books, and CDs whenever an idol they like gets caught dating a guy, letalone getting pregnant with and married to a guy.

[neshcom]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69417' date='Sep 27 2009, 02:54 AM'][quote name='neshcom' post='69355' date='Sep 25 2009, 12:26 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69346' date='Sep 25 2009, 08:51 AM']And to Jpope, I very strongly doubt a high percentage of people still interested in her career now were actually fans before this happened, especially judging from what idol fandom is based on, you fill in that blank for yourself, we've had that discussion 100 times here and everyone already knows. I think most people flipping out about her now are women who think pregnancy when you're young and Japanese is cool and unique. And if you think being young, pregnant, and Japanese is cool and unique yourself, please refer to the above quoted portion.[/quote]

Maybe fans from her old MM career weren't fans when she became inactive, but that doesn't mean they can't become her fan now. Hell, if anything, if they liked her enough, they'd probably be more excited to see her doing anything. I know that's exactly how I am with Iida. She may not have had an album come out in years, but I'm glad I can see her blog everyday. You may fill in the blank, but there's no reason you can't share the blank. And I don't remember the other 100 discussions. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pouty:' />

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The problem here is: what exactly are they becoming a fan of? The way she looks? She doesn't do anything else and especially nothing of any entertaining value besides take pictures of herself and write stupid text blogs. Oh, and appear on really random and pointless variety shows to talk about her pregnancy and married life, which is so mundane and ordinary that it really is a conundrum of why they even bother.

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I would consider those entertainment. I find them and her entertaining. I'm sorry you have a different opinion on it.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='neshcom' post='69418' date='Sep 27 2009, 01:56 AM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69417' date='Sep 27 2009, 02:54 AM'][quote name='neshcom' post='69355' date='Sep 25 2009, 12:26 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69346' date='Sep 25 2009, 08:51 AM']And to Jpope, I very strongly doubt a high percentage of people still interested in her career now were actually fans before this happened, especially judging from what idol fandom is based on, you fill in that blank for yourself, we've had that discussion 100 times here and everyone already knows. I think most people flipping out about her now are women who think pregnancy when you're young and Japanese is cool and unique. And if you think being young, pregnant, and Japanese is cool and unique yourself, please refer to the above quoted portion.[/quote]

Maybe fans from her old MM career weren't fans when she became inactive, but that doesn't mean they can't become her fan now. Hell, if anything, if they liked her enough, they'd probably be more excited to see her doing anything. I know that's exactly how I am with Iida. She may not have had an album come out in years, but I'm glad I can see her blog everyday. You may fill in the blank, but there's no reason you can't share the blank. And I don't remember the other 100 discussions. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pouty:' />

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The problem here is: what exactly are they becoming a fan of? The way she looks? She doesn't do anything else and especially nothing of any entertaining value besides take pictures of herself and write stupid text blogs. Oh, and appear on really random and pointless variety shows to talk about her pregnancy and married life, which is so mundane and ordinary that it really is a conundrum of why they even bother.

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I would consider those entertainment. I find them and her entertaining. I'm sorry you have a different opinion on it.

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This is why I said refer to the quoted post. Indeed, vastly different.

[JPope]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69417' date='Sep 27 2009, 02:54 AM'][quote name='neshcom' post='69355' date='Sep 25 2009, 12:26 PM'][quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69346' date='Sep 25 2009, 08:51 AM']And to Jpope, I very strongly doubt a high percentage of people still interested in her career now were actually fans before this happened, especially judging from what idol fandom is based on, you fill in that blank for yourself, we've had that discussion 100 times here and everyone already knows. I think most people flipping out about her now are women who think pregnancy when you're young and Japanese is cool and unique. And if you think being young, pregnant, and Japanese is cool and unique yourself, please refer to the above quoted portion.[/quote]

Maybe fans from her old MM career weren't fans when she became inactive, but that doesn't mean they can't become her fan now. Hell, if anything, if they liked her enough, they'd probably be more excited to see her doing anything. I know that's exactly how I am with Iida. She may not have had an album come out in years, but I'm glad I can see her blog everyday. You may fill in the blank, but there's no reason you can't share the blank. And I don't remember the other 100 discussions. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /pouty.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pouty:' />

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The problem here is: what exactly are they becoming a fan of? The way she looks? She doesn't do anything else and especially nothing of any entertaining value besides take pictures of herself and write stupid text in blogs. Oh, and appear on really random and pointless variety shows to talk about her pregnancy and married life, which is so mundane and ordinary that it really is a conundrum of why they even bother.



100 other discussions are about the intensity of fandom from the wotas who start burning and destroying pictures, books, and CDs whenever an idol they like gets caught dating a guy, letalone getting pregnant with and married to a guy.

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Seriously, why do you care? How old are you, dude? Are you not familiar with the phenomenon of public interest in the adult lives of child stars? She's a child star who turned what could have been a bad situation into, by all appearances, a wonderful situation. This is nothing so novel, and as role models go, a young girl could pick far worse than Tsuji Nozomi. It makes me wonder why the judgement you have chosen to pass on her fans is so forceful and copious.

[eri]

[quote name='JPope' post='69443' date='Sep 27 2009, 02:59 PM']Are you not familiar with the phenomenon of public interest in the adult lives of child stars?....It makes me wonder why the judgement you have chosen to pass on her fans is so forceful and copious.[/quote]



<img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pouty:' /> Thats why I said AEUG has a weird moral gauge.

What I find contradictory about all this is, Japan's idol celebrity culture is just as tabloid/personality driven (if not more so) as Americas. Most celebrities end up on some variety talk show that has nothing to do with any visible talent -- they are just famous and make good background noise. That is why celebrities in Japan transition so seamessly between singing, acting, hosting, modeling, and all while pumping out their own self-titled photobooks, essay books, advice columns, and blogs.



On top of this, the entire premise of Hello Project is based on the cult of personality -- or, that the public gathers interest in a bunch of regular cute girls who become celebrities through their personality and hard work. Every component of H!P is geared to building interest in the individual girls as people -- what do they like to eat? what is their opinion on XYZ? and so on.



AEUG is entitled to his opinion, of course. It is akin to finding Paris Hilton or the Kardishans disgusting, and that is understandable. It is just that this anger over Tsuji's "tacky" celebrity seems incredibly belated and at odds with the entire notion of H!P fandom. Why weren't you outraged at the very first PB they printed out or their thousands of ridiculous Dokyuu-like interviews? It is all part of the same system. Or maybe AEUG was in denial over that aspect of H!P until now?

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='JPope' post='69443' date='Sep 27 2009, 04:59 PM']Are you not familiar with the phenomenon of public interest in the adult lives of child stars?[/quote]

Being familiar with something doesn't mean you have to be supporting of it or engage in it just because it happens. And Eri made a good comparison, especially living in the culture we live in, the level that people delve into other people's lives on a public level is just disgusting and disgraceful to me in the first place, it doesn't make it "all right" just because its happening in Japan instead. This kind of crap is shoved down the public's throat here day and night in America, as we're being told we should be interested in these people's lives, when the only reason people really read tabloids is to make their own life feel more interesting or to obsess over this culture of celebrity that they gluttonously wish they could be a part of.

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Tsuji was never shoved down anyone's throats, though. Her blog was open for a LONG time, and was ranked #1 for a LONG time (Without any promotion IIRC) before she/UFA decided to let her do variety appearances and what not. I would understand if she got thrown back into the media spotlight immediately after her scandal, but she wasn't in the slightest.



So who are you actually mad at? Are you mad at the Japanese public for being interested? Are you mad at the Japanese media for reporting on her because she's hugely popular right now? Are you mad at Tsuji for taking the offers to appear on shows?



I really can't see a problem with this, though. I'm sure UFA nor Tsuji thought "Okay, I'm/Tsuji's pregnant. This is my chance to be famous again!" Tsuji just made her blog and wrote about the same mundane things that everyone who has a blog writes about, and for some reason it grew into something no one expected it to.



And it's not like she really writes about anything trashy. It's really all "Look what I cooked today!" or "Noa had a play-date today!" or "Look at my nails!", not "Ugh, Taiyou and I fought today! I want a divorce!" or anything of the sort.



I really think it's all in good fun, and moreso a matter of you not wanting to hear about it rather than it being something that the evil Japanese media is shoving down the throats of everyone whether they like it or not.

[AEUGNewtype]

I'm not mad at anyone for anything besides some people being ignorant to what I said. This whole thing started (as usual) by me expressing my opinion that I think her whole "comeback" shtick is really lame and unnecessary and I'm tired of reading about her everywhere, then everyone flips out about how I'm wrong and she's not being given too much attention for not doing anything of any substantial value to the world. I'm not saying the Japanese media is shoving anything down anyone's throats, I just think its really lame and not of an entirely different nature for them to give her so much attention in mainstream media than a lot of the stuff we see constantly in America with celebrities.

[Melon]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69513' date='Sep 28 2009, 10:40 PM']I'm not mad at anyone for anything besides some people being ignorant to what I said. This whole thing started (as usual) by me expressing my opinion that I think her whole "comeback" shtick is really lame and unnecessary and I'm tired of reading about her everywhere, then everyone flips out about how I'm wrong and she's not being given too much attention for not doing anything of any substantial value to the world.[/quote]



This doesn't matter at all, in fact this is basically a description of what idols are, they're just very powerful and effective marketing tools when you really get down to the core of it. They just use them to sell tons of photobooks, concert tickets, CDs, any other product they can think of etc., etc., etc. So you're just basically saying she did extremely well at her job.



Two sides to every coin, my friend. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[Farrah]

AEUG, I actually agree with you, but. It's not like Tsuji is the only culprit of making a career out of doing nothing, haha. Satoda Mai and Yaguci Mari for example have both made careers out of basically nothing other than showing up on tv shows and acting cute. I think it's stupid, but there are plenty of throwaway Japanese idols doing the exact same thing.

[JPope]

[quote name='The☆AEUGNewtype' post='69513' date='Sep 28 2009, 11:40 PM']I'm not mad at anyone for anything besides some people being ignorant to what I said. This whole thing started (as usual) by me expressing my opinion that I think her whole "comeback" shtick is really lame and unnecessary and I'm tired of reading about her everywhere, then everyone flips out about how I'm wrong and she's not being given too much attention for not doing anything of any substantial value to the world. I'm not saying the Japanese media is shoving anything down anyone's throats, I just think its really lame and not of an entirely different nature for them to give her so much attention in mainstream media than a lot of the stuff we see constantly in America with celebrities.[/quote]



So it's time to play AEUG The Martyr again, is it? "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME!!!!!!"



Nobody who responded to you is ignorant to what you said, because they have your own words quoted in their replies. This whole thing got started (as usual) because a few people dared to disagree with you, and you got really defensive about it. And only one of the responses could be described as "flipping out", but even that was in response to you flipping out first. Seriously, if you want to play the asshole role around here, you need to learn that showing how sensitive you are to disagreement just nullifies everything it follows.

[AEUGNewtype]

[quote name='Ang' post='69534' date='Sep 29 2009, 07:03 AM']AEUG, I actually agree with you, but. It's not like Tsuji is the only culprit of making a career out of doing nothing, haha. Satoda Mai and Yaguci Mari for example have both made careers out of basically nothing other than showing up on tv shows and acting cute. I think it's stupid, but there are plenty of throwaway Japanese idols doing the exact same thing.[/quote]

You're very right, I guess the biggest thing here is that I can't conceive in my head how crap like this is interesting enough to people to constitute all of this attention. Not talking just about Tsuji, but many of the other similar "throwaway" people who don't really do anything. It just seems plain silly and a waste of time, but maybe a lot of people like passing time idly?

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