Amy Winehouse Died

[Shoujo Q]

Amy Winehouse Died Saturday (That would be Today) at 27. [Article]



They say the dead is unexplained, but knowing how tragic her life was with drugs, you can only imagine what may have caused her death.



She had a few listenable songs, but I really didn't pay much attention to her.



Oh and I only found out about this because I went on iTunes to purchase the new 2ne1 single and they already have a "Remembering Amy Winehouse" banner up. She died around 4PM London Time and it's already 11PM so that was pretty quick.

[Pflaume]

This isn't directed at anyone here, but I've seen the usual complete lack of any compassion and respect around the interwebs and it bugs me. I understand that she clearly had a severe drug addiction, but honestly I just feel very sad for her. She was young, and likely very unhappy, and now she's had a very early death. Hardy har, apparently.



Shocking? No. Hilarious? Also no.

[Anderei]

She's already up on the 27 Club's Wikipedia page.





And while it really isn't very surprising, it is sad, especially because she had so much talent and potential when it came to her music.

[eri]

It is uncanny to see someone's life completely fall apart and have it captured in the media, frame by frame with the whole world making commentary. I don't really understand people's "satisfaction" when they talk about how her death was coming -- as though they wittily predicted something or that she "deserved" it or that it proved anything other than the obvious: drug and alcohol addiction are terrible things. The whole thing is sad.

[Shoujo Q]

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1311470442' post='104229']

It is uncanny to see someone's life completely fall apart and have it captured in the media, frame by frame with the whole world making commentary. I don't really understand people's "satisfaction" when they talk about how her death was coming -- as though they wittily predicted something or that she "deserved" it or that it proved anything other than the obvious: drug and alcohol addiction are terrible things. The whole thing is sad.

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Considering media today, I wonder what it would have been like if say it was Jimi Hendrix of Janis Joplin who passed away suddenly. What would the media have been like surrounding them and their life? Just wondering aloud.



And I'm sure this is getting more coverage in England then it is in the US right now, but I just think it's because the entertainment shows aren't on during the weekend. Come Monday it'll be 24/7 Winehouse and you'll get a much better commentary good and bad.



Anyway, Winehouse obviously lacked a support system or anything that could have grounded her enough to stop the life she was leading. Britney Spears have her children and family behind her to bring her back from the drugs and whatever else. If not I doubt she would be around also.

[al kusanagi]

As the great Norm MacDonald said: "RIP Amy Winehouse. We lost a true heroin addict today."

[Haru]

My shit was shocked; in a way. I always expected it, but so suddenly. It's a shame. I really liked her music. :( Not so much as a person (sorry, not quite into addicts...), but I had respect for her for working her way to the top.



:(

[Ap2000]

[quote name='eri' timestamp='1311470442' post='104229']



It is uncanny to see someone's life completely fall apart and have it captured in the media, frame by frame with the whole world making commentary. I don't really understand people's "satisfaction" when they talk about how her death was coming -- as though they wittily predicted something or that she "deserved" it or that it proved anything other than the obvious: drug and alcohol addiction are terrible things. The whole thing is sad.

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I didn't really know her. I only ever heard two songs and they were not bad, but they kinda were not my cup of tea.

She had a very interesting voice though.



I don't get a satisfaction out of it, but hearing all the time that she's doing drugs made it somewhat obviousy she's going to destroy herself with overdoing it some day... I mean, other musicians before her also die because of that. She even made a song about people trying her to "go to rehab".

And I'm somebody who didn't actively follow her or the media buzz around her at all.

[JPope]

[quote name='Plum' timestamp='1311464301' post='104221']

This isn't directed at anyone here, but I've seen the usual complete lack of any compassion and respect around the interwebs and it bugs me. I understand that she clearly had a severe drug addiction, but honestly I just feel very sad for her. She was young, and likely very unhappy, and now she's had a very early death. Hardy har, apparently.



Shocking? No. Hilarious? Also no.

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A lot of people just don't have room in their sympathy tank for someone who steadfastly refuses to accept help for their problems. I feel sorry for the poor saps who get hooked on drugs because of their parents (or lack of parents) and have neither the resources or support system to get help. Winehouse had every opportunity to clean up and lead a very charmed life, and just said "fuck it". When your biggest hit is an homage to your refusal to accept help and treatment for your life threatening addiction, you can't really expect a whole lot of sympathy when those addictions eventually take your life. Had she died any other way, it would have been entirely different. I feel sorry for her family and any other loved ones who tried to help her. Do I feel shit for her? No, no, no. She was a dumb-ass.

[Haru]

Actually, Pope, after a while she did end up getting clean. :\ She went to rehab and everything. With the latest findings that there were no drugs in her home; it is very possible that she passed away because of the shock of the fact those things weren't in her system.

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='Haru' timestamp='1311658775' post='104398']

Actually, Pope, after a while she did end up getting clean. :\ She went to rehab and everything. With the latest findings that there were no drugs in her home; it is very possible that she passed away because of the shock of the fact those things weren't in her system.

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Doesn't that tend to happen sort of immediately during the detox process, not months after you've been through rehab and released?



I was actually sort of surprised at the sudden outpouring of support for her once she died. Articles about her talent, celebrities talking about how they respected her and looked up to her. It makes me wonder where all those people were just this past June when she had that disasterous show in Serbia and everyone was basically calling her a shit show. It makes me wonder if some of the "support" is just something that sounds nice for PR, but I hope that's not the case.

[JPope]

If it turns out that her death was not drug related, then I'll feel some sympathy, otherwise, no.

[Pflaume]

I don't know, there's a good chance it just wasn't that simple. Drug addiction is freaking MONSTER to beat no matter how many resources you have, and unfortunately when you're rich and famous you tend to be surrounded by jerks that encourage your poor habits rather than trying to stop it. Plus, it seems like she had a lot of other drug addicts as her dearest friends, so it would not only have been beating something most people can't, it would have been doing that AND giving up the people she's closest to to maintain it. It's certainly tougher than anything I've ever had to attempt, and I couldn't assume I could do it without walking a mile in her shoes.

[Anderei]

The police are saying they'll be launching an investigation in October, because the autopsy was inconclusive.



Here's the article.



Apparently she told someone at her house that she wanted to go to bed, and when they went to check on her later she wasn't breathing.

[Melon]

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I was actually sort of surprised at the sudden outpouring of support for her once she died.

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Because you sound like a giant prick when you speak ill of the dead. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hahaha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' /> No smart celeb would burn bridges by saying what they really think.

[Shoujo Q]

[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1311714386' post='104443']

The police are saying they'll be launching an investigation in October, because the autopsy was inconclusive.



Here's the article.



Apparently she told someone at her house that she wanted to go to bed, and when they went to check on her later she wasn't breathing.

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Can a CSI expert tell me how an autopsy can be inconclusive?

[Anderei]

[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1311728489' post='104475']

[quote name='Anderei' timestamp='1311714386' post='104443']

The police are saying they'll be launching an investigation in October, because the autopsy was inconclusive.



Here's the article.



Apparently she told someone at her house that she wanted to go to bed, and when they went to check on her later she wasn't breathing.

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Can a CSI expert tell me how an autopsy can be inconclusive?

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I'm no expert, but I've watched lots of murder mysteries/medical shows where they sometimes see multiple reasons a person could have died, and therefore they're not actually sure what killed them. Essentially it's saying that there isn't enough evidence to where they can say without a doubt 'yes, this is why they died'. I think when this happens they often do more tests/more autopsies.



I think it happens more often though to bodies that have been decomposing for longer amounts of time, though, like Caylee Anthony's body. Her autopsy report was inconclusive.



But like I said, I'm no expert, so you might want to research that a bit on your own.



From the way the article is worded, though, it sounds like they haven't done a toxicology report yet.

[tsukinobyouin]

[quote name='Petit Melon' timestamp='1311714487' post='104444']

[quote name='TnB' timestamp='1311690909' post='104422']

I was actually sort of surprised at the sudden outpouring of support for her once she died.

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Because you sound like a giant prick when you speak ill of the dead. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... hahaha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hahaha:' /> No smart celeb would burn bridges by saying what they really think.

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They don't have to say anything at all though. Especially news outlets - they can just report facts plain and simple, it's the choice of the writers to include editorials.





[quote name='PKyu' timestamp='1311728489' post='104475']

Can a CSI expert tell me how an autopsy can be inconclusive?

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This is my (non-medical expert) understanding:



It happens a lot. They can be inconclusive if the body is too far decomposed, like in the case of Casey Anthony, in which case they'll always be inconclusive. But more often it's because the initial autopsy is just opening up the body and looking inside. So unless there's some sort of sign of trauma like a broken neck or a stab wound, they often need further tests (like a toxicology screening) to come to a definitive conclusion. For example, the results of the initial exam may just be "heart failure" or something, but without being able to see something like a ton of plaque in the heart or scarring from a heart attack, they can't determine why the heart failed.

[freezingkiss]

I thought this was pretty sad, but it was even sadder when I went and saw Mark Ronson and the Business International the other day, he was one of her best friends. He was really cut up about it, and you could tell because this is a man so cool and smooth that he usually doesn't show much emotion, but he was almost crying. They did some tributes and it was really sweet.