Morning Musume v.9.0

[BonkyuAsh]

You said it much better than I could. Also I don't see how Aina looks like and ugly Aika. I don't even see any Aika in her.

[momoirosaya]

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Well true, but they could've helped MM personality wise. Especially Yuki, the "Reaction Queen," and she has an elbow fetish.



At first I didn't like Mogi at all but now, I don't mind if Mogi gets in, as long as someone more talented gets in as well. I don't hate or dislike Mogi, I'm just not particularly fond of her...She's okay though.



I keep liking Aina more and more! I'm gonna call her Ainyan from now on~

People say she was boring but she didn't really have a chance to show off, and also plenty of girls started shy and quiet, and got really interesting and lovable.



I just had a dream that I was Tsunku's assistant and Erina got rejected from MM and he was telling her why.

Not that I want her rejected, I didn't really pay much attention to her in the audition...^^;;

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89899' date='Dec 25 2010, 05:43 PM']What's your point? Do you mean help them in talent or in perception? Adding the best girls won't help them either. They are already a talented group of individuals. Morning Musume is Morning Musume and the return on adding Riho vs. any other girls is negligible in the grand scheme of perception. Adding any combination of these girls or any eggs will not return Morning Musume to the glory days in the public's eyes. On the other hand it's ridiculous to believe that adding Mogi to the group absolutely dooms the group because we've judged her to be an untalented crybaby based on an incredibly short audition clip. I guess adding her alone would be a bit of a problem and may cause many wota to give up (based on the reactions of the wota in this thread and because they'll need someone to be talented such as Riho when the old grannies leave), but adding her in with everyone like Bonkyu suggested would certainly not kill the group any more than its natural decline, especially since some fans seem to clearly like what she might potentially bring to a group dynamic.



People talk about how Tsunku must regret passing on Sumire and Yuki or whoever; but, the thing is, if he hadn't passed on them, AKB would be popular without them. It's not like they're the ones who made their later group popular.[/quote]



Your entire post sounds to me like "it doesn't matter what happens anyway".



My point is, dragging along another kid that can't do shit will not help MM. Or at least I don't see how it could help them in any way, do you ?

So if I'd have the choice, I'd rather have somebody who is already (quite) good at singing, dancing and looking into the camera, than somebody who seems to be able to do none of that on an equally good level.



Comparing a 5-girls group to a 45+ girls group is wrong imho, since it's easier to have an impact on the fans if you're in the smaller group obviously.

I'm not sure if Sumire is well known in the AKB circus, but I do know that Yuki has become quite well known and liked by the fans. I'm sure she also helped selling a few more photobooks, magazines and singles. Of course this could be anything from 1 to 10.000, or maybe even more. I am pretty sure however, judging by her current publicity, she did not hurt the group.

IIRC she even made (one of) the top spot(s) in a japanese survey called "who do you want to date ?", so she's quite popular in general.



That's how fans and idols work together. You like a girl ? You buy her stuff to support her. Or you like the songs ? You buy her stuff to support her.

Would MM have sold a few more singles and maybe even got more media attention ? Who knows, but it certainly DID work before with girls like Maki. So saying it will be completely negligible who he adds is simply not true. Nobody here expects MM to suddenly sell one million again, but who says they can't have a small comeback ? There have been many successful comebacks in the past, so I think it is possible for MM to sell 100k if the right girls get added and the right songs are written.



Aren't we here to talk about these girls, because we still care about the group and thus of course who's in it though ? So why bring up the "it's not going to turn MM into glory days MM" thing !? Nobody here is expecting that, so I don't see how this has anything to do with it, since adding a bad candidate is certainly not going to change that at all.

As superficial as it may sound, I personally don't want to have her in MM, because I don't want to look at her mouth all the time when I see her face. On top of that her singing voice, her dancing and her crying didn't help either. Yes, that's how she got portrayed, but how else should we judge the girls ? We have no other choice right now, except for staying silent, which would be boring.

[momoirosaya]

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Kinda adding on to the part about Yuki and Sumire. Yuki now has a subgroup "French Kiss" with 2 other AKB members, (all 3 are in avex), so she has helped sales there.

Yukirin ranks 8th in Senbatsu, which includes all of AKB48, SKE48, and Kenkyuusei (Research Students, like H!P Eggs). That's out of over 100+ girls.



And Sumire ranks #31, and is an often featured Undergirl.

[EmEl]

[quote name='Ap2000' post='89905' date='Dec 25 2010, 12:44 PM']So if I'd have the choice, I'd rather have somebody who is already (quite) good at singing, dancing and looking into the camera, than somebody who seems to be able to do none of that on an equally good level.[/quote]

But I don't think it's a choice. If someone said "Riho or Mogi, that's all you get," yeah, I'd probably choose Riho for the benefit of Morning Musume despite my irrationally liking Mogi better. But all Bonkyu was suggesting was she wanted all 5, and you simply snidely said "No." If all 5 are added, I don't believe a girl like Mogi will bring down the group.



[quote name='Ap2000' post='89905' date='Dec 25 2010, 12:44 PM']I'm not sure if Sumire is well known in the AKB circus, but I do know that Yuki has become quite well known and liked by the fans. I'm sure she also helped selling a few more photobooks, magazines and singles. Of course this could be anything from 1 to 10.000, or maybe even more. I am pretty sure however, judging by her current publicity, she did not hurt the group.[/quote]

My implication was that the group helped her far more than she helped the group, that's all. If she had been in Morning Musume, nothing would be different with the groups as they currently are in terms of popularity.



[quote name='Ap2000' post='89905' date='Dec 25 2010, 12:44 PM']Aren't we here to talk about these girls, because we still care about the group and thus of course who's in it though ? So why bring up the "it's not going to turn MM into glory days MM" thing !? Nobody here is expecting that, so I don't see how this has anything to do with it, since adding a bad candidate is certainly not going to change that at all.[/quote]

No, that's why I asked what your point was. Since all you offered was snide hate without explanation, I had to guess at what you meant. As I said, I didn't know if you meant in terms of talent or perception, so I tried to answer both. But it seems like you were talking about talent, and on that point I mostly agree, I just don't think she's completely talentless. In terms of dancing, she's not great but she's clearly a hard worker who seems to have been able to figure things out by the time she was tested. That's worth something, I think. We focused on her failures at first, but she got it together.



[quote name='Ap2000' post='89905' date='Dec 25 2010, 12:44 PM']As superficial as it may sound, I personally don't want to have her in MM, because I don't want to look at her mouth all the time when I see her face. On top of that her singing voice, her dancing and her crying didn't help either.[/quote]

I certainly understand that, since I feel the same way about Ikuta. I just wanted to know what your point was more than "nope" and making fun of someone for blindly being attracted to the sort of girl Mogi is.

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89909' date='Dec 25 2010, 07:01 PM']But I don't think it's a choice. If someone said "Riho or Mogi, that's all you get," yeah, I'd probably choose Riho for the benefit of Morning Musume despite my irrationally liking Mogi better. But all Bonkyu was suggesting was she wanted all 5, and you simply snidely said "No." If all 5 are added, I don't believe a girl like Mogi will bring down the group.



My implication was that the group helped her far more than she helped the group, that's all. If she had been in Morning Musume, nothing would be different with the groups as they currently are in terms of popularity.[/quote]



That "No" was meant comical, not in a "No, stfu" tone. x)

(In retrospect I realize I did not make this very clear)



How do you know Yuki wouldn't have helped MM's popularity ? Since it clearly has happened in the past with other girls.



I think we're ok with the rest on what we said, so I cut it away.

[BonkyuAsh]

I knew your no was comical. My friend does it to me all the time. I could just see Mogi growing into something good I mean she was failing hard in the beginning, but when I came time to test, she learned the dance and performed well her singing could use help, but I see her as the little sister figure Tsunku was saying MM needs atm. I believe maybe adding a girl like Riho would maybe help MM, but I doubt 9th gen would even get much attention at first. I just don't see anything too wrong with any of them, so I can't choose who I definitely want in, thats why I said lets add all of them XD. Good thing I'm not in Tsunku's place.

[Gerald]

It's largely irrelevant what the girls are like now, go back and look at early Yossie, Aibon or Konkon, I doubt anybody (OK maybe Tsunku) would have forseen what they would turn into.



The chosen ones will go through the UFA idol training and they will change, especially given their age.



Em-El is right, the selected girls aren't going to make any appreciable difference to the sucess of MM, that depends largely on the music, the publicity and how the wota perceive the girls. Sex sells so AKB48 sell, they sexualise the girls far more than UFA seem prepared to do and I would rather see H!P go down the toilet than see them follow AKB48.

[Pflaume]

[quote name='The Turtle Moves' post='89923' date='Dec 25 2010, 03:56 PM']Em-El is right, the selected girls aren't going to make any appreciable difference to the sucess of MM, that depends largely on the music, the publicity and how the wota perceive the girls. Sex sells so AKB48 sell, they sexualise the girls far more than UFA seem prepared to do and I would rather see H!P go down the toilet than see them follow AKB48.[/quote]







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[Special Needs Tricycle]

omg please do not dirty this thread about my amazing babies with more AKB shit. no1curr



Let's talk more about how amazing Kanon is!







DAWWW DON'T YOU WANT TO PINCH HER CHEEKS.

[Duncan]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89899' date='Dec 25 2010, 11:43 AM']On the other hand it's ridiculous to believe that adding Mogi to the group absolutely dooms the group because we've judged her to be an untalented crybaby based on an incredibly short audition clip[/quote]



Come on now, it wasn't the length of the clip, it was the amount of times that girl broke down. She cried in at least three different situations and locations from what I remember. My girlfriend kept saying "Wait...she's crying AGAIN?!"



Anyway, I'm not really worried anymore. Tsunku is notoriously difficult to second guess when it comes to these matters, but after two auditions in a row with only one girl being chosen and the group losing three girls in one swoop this month, I think it's pretty safe to say we're getting more than one girl this time. If he goes for Mogi and snubs Riho I'd roll my eyes and be a bit disappointed, but I think there's a very good chance this year we'll end up with at least one girl who helps the group. That's all I really care about.

[Tsujiji]

There's a pretty good translation of the episode floating around the internet right now~



Tsunku admits that current Morning Musume is missing "personalities" and he see something unique about all 5 of these girls. Apparently he's looking for three personality types: Sexy Type, Little Sister Type and Moe Type.





It's leading me to believe he's going to be adding more than one member and (possibly all 5. <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /dance.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> ) However this might just be there way of story telling to totally surprise you and the -one- girl the viewers least expect.





Edit I found the translation again if you want to read it http://community.livejournal.com/helloproc...314.html#cutid1

[eri]

Minami: I couldn't keep up with the pace at all.



Minami: I can quite follow the pace of the song, but not really the dance.

Voice trainer: So you can follow the song. So, yeah, sing please.

Narrator: However...

Voice trainer: Before, when everyone was here, didn't you tell me that you perfectly remembered the melody? The judges willsee how much you're capable of, and a 'correct' you. So, if there's something you need later, later, don't act like a dependent / spoiled child.



Narrator: Mogi, who shed tears during the singing lesson. She didn't remember the dance steps.

Choreographer: How much did you practice yesterday?

Minami: I did practice, I danced a little with my friend.

Choreographer: And was the dance perfect? Can't you dance? If you can't dance, why are you (even) here? Why can't you remember yesterday's points? The people who can't do this can't wish to become Morning Musume members. But you want to become one, don't you? Don't you want to be a Morning Musume member? So why can't you do this. Why aren't you able to do this perfectly?



Minami: If I do it better, I might be able to get it right. I think I behaved a bit like a spoiled child.



Tsunku: Hmm, how much did you practice?

Minami: Umm, I sang a lot inside my mother's car, but since it was a forbidden place do to that, my mother said to me "you can't do that here!". I really did my best effort.

Jesus.

Tsunku: I think that what I *want* is raw material.

A little sister character, a moe character...

I guess she's in <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

[Ap2000]

[quote name='Special Needs Tricycle' post='89926' date='Dec 25 2010, 10:43 PM']http://i.imgur.com/NVN3C.jpg[/quote]



The top-left picture is a weird one... reminds me of the duckface Rika sometimes pulled off.

She'd be my second pic with Riho though.

[delerium]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89909' date='Dec 25 2010, 01:01 PM']My implication was that the group helped her far more than she helped the group, that's all. If she had been in Morning Musume, nothing would be different with the groups as they currently are in terms of popularity.[/quote]

Yuki's popularity was mostly gained through her weathergirl gig. She got the assignment as AKB was on the way up but not at the mega levels of now. I think her success is because of her agency promoting her and getting her good exposure. So she wouldn't have really helped MM because UFA has no clout now. That's a big difference between the two groups. AKB members start out in the house agency (AKS) but can be signed by more powerful agencies (Ogi, Hori, etc). With MM, even if you gain popularity individually (Sayu)... you're stuck in UFA and only get shit work promotion.

[Arichii]

I just watched Bijou Gaku and I've decided that Suzuki Kanon is my favorite. She's so cute, adorable/ I see personality in her! And I now see why Riho is the fan favorite, she's very talented and at this point Morning Musume really does need someone like her. As for Mogi Minami I don't mind if she gets in to Morning Musume but I'd rather her not. And I have no comment about the other two <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />.

[momoirosaya]

There may be hope for Riho yet!

Tsunku wants a sexy type, and Riho is the only one that fits that image IMO.

[Nicky]

I heard Erina has posted some lines on her twitter account which leads some to believe she is (part of) the ninth gen. Too bad I can't read japanese or I'd check it out <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

[Duncan]

[quote name='Nicky' post='89954' date='Dec 26 2010, 05:47 AM']I heard Erina has posted some lines on her twitter account which leads some to believe she is (part of) the ninth gen. Too bad I can't read japanese or I'd check it out <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />[/quote]



Erina closed her twitter account around the same time as the auditions were being broadcast. When was this?

[EmEl]

Ikuta is the oldest of the five. She was born in July of 1997 during the time the Sharan Q auditions were being broadcast on Asayan. Exactly two months after her birth, the episode was broadcast in which Tsunku announced that he'd sign the five runner-ups to a record deal if they could sell enough CDs.



This means that as long as one of these five girls makes it, the new member(s) will be younger than Morning Musume.

[Nicky]

[quote name='Duncan' post='89955' date='Dec 26 2010, 12:05 PM'][quote name='Nicky' post='89954' date='Dec 26 2010, 05:47 AM']I heard Erina has posted some lines on her twitter account which leads some to believe she is (part of) the ninth gen. Too bad I can't read japanese or I'd check it out <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... #>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />[/quote]



Erina closed her twitter account around the same time as the auditions were being broadcast. When was this?

[/quote]



I heard she posted it after the auditions ended. :/ Guess it was someone trying to pull a prank then.

[freezingkiss]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89956' date='Dec 26 2010, 10:43 PM']Ikuta is the oldest of the five. She was born in July of 1997 during the time the Sharan Q auditions were being broadcast on Asayan. Exactly two months after her birth, the episode was broadcast in which Tsunku announced that he'd sign the five runner-ups to a record deal if they could sell enough CDs.



This means that as long as one of these five girls makes it, the new member(s) will be younger than Morning Musume.[/quote]



That, in itself, is quite frightening. I would have liked to see like, two 12 year olds, a 14 year old and a 16-17 year old. But I guess that isn't going to happen, unless the eggs still have a chance.

[rob]

Riho is a dead cert if you ask me, the rest I'm not sure of but 100% sayashi riho will be a new momusu member.

[Zoe]

Tsunku: Hmm, how much did you practice?

Minami: Umm, I sang a lot inside my mother's car, but since it was a forbidden place do to that, my mother said to me "you can't do that here!". I really did my best effort.

In this part her mother was saying "dame!" to the points where she messed up.

[eri]

Tsunku: Hmm, how much did you practice?

Minami: Umm, I sang a lot inside my mother's car, but since it was a forbidden place do to that, my mother said to me "you can't do that here!". I really did my best effort.

In this part her mother was saying "dame!" to the points where she messed up.

Ahhh that is sort of reassuring. I thought her mom was more like "hey shut up I'm driving" <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':weeeh:' />

[Melon]

[quote name='Special Needs Tricycle' post='89926' date='Dec 25 2010, 03:43 PM']omg please do not dirty this thread about my amazing babies with more AKB shit. no1curr



Let's talk more about how amazing Kanon is!



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DAWWW DON'T YOU WANT TO PINCH HER CHEEKS.[/quote]



If she doesn't get in, I will truly be upset/cursing Tsunku's name.

[ShinUkyo]

[quote name='Em-El' post='89956' date='Dec 26 2010, 05:43 AM']Ikuta is the oldest of the five. She was born in July of 1997 during the time the Sharan Q auditions were being broadcast on Asayan. Exactly two months after her birth, the episode was broadcast in which Tsunku announced that he'd sign the five runner-ups to a record deal if they could sell enough CDs. This means that as long as one of these five girls makes it, the new member(s) will be younger than Morning Musume.[/quote]

This is exactly the kind of post I would make, and I adore you for keeping this spirit alive. I know both you and Francis have been holding down the fort, with regards to this. The other thing that's a bit creepy, and a first for me: I actually want to see Tsunku add more than one girl this time! <img src='http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticon ... /ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I'd have never imagined this day would come, and I was always upset in the past when they went the multi-addition route. Then again, the group's number was always so boisterous back then. Now we're back to five, a number which MM hasn't had for nearly twelve years (and even then, only for an amazingly short period.) Not to mention, after a couple more-recent tries at single member additions, the method doesn't seem to work anymore. This way, they end up with both a variety and more chances at a truly dynamic member rising up.

[Shoujo Q]

8yrold out-sings all of the 9th gen contestants.



And dances too.





Is it Jan 2nd yet? I'm getting antsy.

[rob]

5 days to go and we will know what the new momusu will look like....... if riho misses out I think momusu might just collapse...

[Tsujiji]

I feel like if they ever want to give Ai the inevitable boot, they -need- Riho.



Also, amazing 8 year old is amazing.